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First off, I believe in climate change but I was wondering, if you don't believe in it then what proof do you need to know it is real? I mean, is it simply because the idea of it is offensive to you? The other thing too I find curious is that most people that don't believe it are conservatives. But, as a conservative, shouldn't we conserve the world we live in from being destroyed by the hand of man? Teddy Roosevelt was a republican and he conserved our lands by doubling the number of national parks in our country. Doesn't conservatism also equate to conservationism??
so elf, since everyone knows that climate change has been there since the birth of the planet, when are you ecp-nuts going to actually admit that what you are doing is to have the goverment tax the people more for a naturally occuring event?
so elf, since everyone knows that climate change has been there since the birth of the planet, when are you ecp-nuts going to actually admit that what you are doing is to have the goverment tax the people more for a naturally occuring event?
I don't think that anyone is debating that climate changes over the long term (millenia). It obviously does, look at the Ice age we had 10,000 years ago. The question is are humans directly contributing to climate change in a significant way? That is the main question. The answer is yes to that from 98% of climate scientists. So that leaves us laypeople to prove them wrong... and it hasn't worked so far.
The earth is constantly heating and cooling, oceans rising and falling, shorelines receding and increasing.
The human caused global warming has become the latest political tool.
Hard evidence a scam is affot is when someone claims the science is settled. That is a red flag that tells me a charlatan is using the premise of 'science' to further a political agenda.
Science cannot exist as a static declaration. Science is dynamic and must be constantly challenged to 'live'. No professional of any scientific pursuit would ever claim the science is settled and persecute or discourage opposing views.
Climate change has occurred without the hand of man many times before. If indeed the climate was changing to hot or cold it would behoove the powers that be to ensure that everyone was schooled in the art of adaptation. We exist in an eddy on the river of change and if we cannot adapt, we go away. simple as that. Why not focus on adaptation if indeed the climate is changing?
The effort to convince the world the climate is warming and man is at fault and must make economic reparations to a select few who profit mightily is the stuff of ancient civilizatiosn that sacrificed humans to appease the gods and bring rain for crops or stop rain or bring back the sun from an eclipse.
HCGW advocates admit it is too late to affect a change and divert disaster.
The earth deserves respect regardless of heating or cooling. Economic blackmail as proposed by the UN agenda 21 and politicians from wealthy countries is a thinly disguised attempt to create a new world order where the pockets of politicians and their cronies are the ultimate disposition of our hard earned money. CO2 is now a pollutant!!??? The Chicago climate Exchange, Carbon credits?????? Look at the names invested in the now defunct Chicago climte Exchange....notice anything odd?
The academicians follow the feds, read that, politician derived bureaucracy, like wolves following a buffalo herd or gulls off the stern of a chumming troller. The feds have created the grants for a generation of make believe PhDs who establish life long careers studying carbon and CO2. You think they will go against the hand that feeds them?
In the 70s we were taught the earth is cooling. Now they say warming. The evidence presented is not overwhelming, at most, it is interesting.
I went to a lecture on the Sourland Mtns here in NJ. the producer used the story of the flora and fauna as a background for a political film to covertly support human caused global warming. Ok, fine. When he then told the audience that those opposed to global warming actually paid for false science evidence, he lost all credibility and was seen as a shill. So in his world, all opposing science was purchased and therefore not worthy of discussing. This my friends is the stuff of political takeovers as seen in mid century Europe, South America and every other country featuring a dictatorship.
You have the tv star Noah Wiley telling us polar bears are about to bite the dust while the facts are the population is on the increase. A blatant lie used by the HCGW crowd to build their foundation of facts.
So what if the earth is warming, how will you adapt? Giving Al gore all your money won't buy you one extra day but will ensure he does well in his climate controlled energy consuming monster estate. Yep Al has probably frozen his sperm to ensure a future population imbued with his intelligence and foresight.
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Exactly, and even regardless whether we change the subject to "if man is responsible", just looking around (acid rain, acid oceans, Superfund sites, the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, etc.), obviously says we sure ain't helping things!
It's kinda like watching the house fall apart and just standing around debating, ''gee, I dunno where to start, and it's really not that bad.... and maybe it's just a natural cycle!!''
If someone doesn't want to believe the current climate change is being at least exacerbated by man's over-zealous use of combustible energy--there is no amount of "proof" that will change their view. Much like in the 15th century when not only did people believe the world was flat--they were willing to kill people who claimed it was round!!!
From Wikipedia:
"The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is more than 90% certain that humans are causing it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels.[1][2][3][4] This scientific consensus is expressed in synthesis reports, by scientific bodies of national or international standing, and by surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewedpublications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these high level reports and surveys. National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed the current scientific opinion, in particular on recent global warming. These assessments have largely followed or endorsed the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) position of January 2001 which states:
An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities.[5]
The main conclusions of the IPCC on global warming were the following:
The global average surface temperature has risen 0.6 ± 0.2 °C since the late 19th century, and 0.17 °C per decade in the last 30 years.[6]
"There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities", in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane.[7]
If greenhouse gas emissions continue the warming will also continue, with temperatures projected to increase by 1.4 °C to 5.8 °C between 1990 and 2100. Accompanying this temperature increase will be increases in some types of extreme weather and a projected sea level rise.[8] On balance the impacts of global warming will be significantly negative, especially for larger values of warming.[9]
No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position."
Appears the only "scientists" who remain non-committal (not even dissenting anymore) on the subject of human activities increasing the speed of climate change---are those who collect their salaries from companies with a vested commercial interest in maintaining a culture of increasing greenhouse gas emmissions.
But scientific evidence is never accepted by those whose opinions are precious to them, and who will not allow facts to get in the way of their deriding people who provide such evidence.
So the answer to the OP's original question by those people is---"No way in hell am I gonna be sucked into pinko, left-wing, eco-elitist ideas about our environment." Ya see, the name calling and finger-pointing is another way to deflect concentrating on the facts to concentrating on the people who, in their opinion, deliver such facts.
It harkens to our recent history of rightists seeing everything proposed by "leftists" as evil----AND vice-versa. No wonder we can't get anything done in the country with everybody sold out to the "my way or the highway" philosophy.
Periods of warming have been times of prosperity, while times of cooling have not. Bring on the heat!
This. It's bizarre that people don't understand this simple fact. When the Great Steppes are able to bear wheat, wide ranges of vegetables grown @ the British Isles and more people are better off, not worse, and are able to consume locally instead of over huge distances.
What a silly question, who here doubts that climate change exists? noone. it should be, 'what proof do you need that we're all going to die unless we start taxing carbon?'. The answer is, 'a heck of a lot more than the laughing jokes and insults to our intelligence that have been offered'.
It would take the real right Reverend Al Gore, Jr. of the Holy Church of the Prosperous Cottage Industry built around Global Warming, LLC. to sacrifice his highly-esteemed, elevated & bloated, carbon dioxide & methane spewing body on some apporpriately greenified altar in the center of a melting Antarctica with full-tilt pietical media coverage reporting such a mighty testament.
Then I will believe, reverently.
Until then adherents to this lucrative political distraction can discover the joys of a world without them & so many others like them who are responsible for this contrived drama unable to admit that they preach self-negation to save a world that demands commodities & comfort for the sake of easy affluence & negotiable caste systems.
The end is so near for some so why not imbibe in the popular Climate Change tequila since we've grown tired over the once-beloved Mutually Irradiated whiskey.
Always something else with these sorts of minds so devoted to finding any awfully tremendous moral exit excitedly mapped out in technicolor graphical charts...
Man made global warming is silly. Anyone who buys into it just isn't thinking. Scientists tell us that there have been ice ages before. That clearly indicates that the climate changes. They tell us that man was not here, or had a very small impact on the climate. So the climate cooled and warmed with no impact from man. So this tells us that the climate of the earth changes with or without man, as there have been things like the little ice age 500 years ago. Climate changes. The Scandanavians were in Greenland, but died out. Grapes used to grown in England, but now its too cold. Not only that but we are now in a cooling cycle. The cooling will continue for awhile. So no need to fuss about Global Warming.
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If someone doesn't want to believe----
