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Old 01-03-2013, 04:58 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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if you would like, we can always do it another way. we can stop all loans to countries and demand all past loans going back to WWI to be paid back and with interest as well. how do you think people would like that?
Americans might be spoiled to some, but before you think that, look and see how much money the USA has given or loaned to your country since 1913.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:37 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Poverty in America comes with $200 sneakers, an apartment or even a house to live in (in the hood) and 7-11 snacks.

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Thoughts?
Here is my thought on that particular statement: It reeks of racism. Poverty in American is shared across racial and ethnic lines. Your statement is indicative of the racism that pervades American society. Poverty exists in other areas than "in the hood".

Ever been to Appalachia?
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:44 AM
 
Location: USA
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Here is my thought on that particular statement: It reeks of racism. Poverty in American is shared across racial and ethnic lines. Your statement is indicative of the racism that pervades American society. Poverty exists in other areas than "in the hood".

Ever been to Appalachia?
Perhaps it does reek of racism; however, all encompassing statements are regularly made on nearly all subjects that are or can be discussed. People make absolute statements which they can't back up. Occasionally, I fall into the trap, but, usually correct myself. I have heard or read many opinions on what is an American or what American Society thinks or what pervades that society. As a born and bred member of said group, I say nonsense.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I don't think Americans are spoilt compared to most of the developed world. There was a big gap after WW2, but I think that's been caught up for the most part.

It is spoilt for it's geography, range of climates and natural resources though.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: In a cave
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For many of us living our day-to-day lives in America, it is often easy for us to forget how good we have it compared to a huge percentage of the world's population. Americans, by far, enjoy the highest standard of living in the world. As a country, we currently consume much more than we produce. As de-industrialization has taken its course over the decades, there is little work to be actually done here in America. Ironically, illegal immigrants are starting to perform all of the manual labor jobs American-born citizens used to perform a decade or two ago. In many areas of the country, you will be hard-pressed to find a native-English speaking American-born person doing construction, road-work, landscaping, working in fast food, working in warehouse etc. Today, the federal government is the largest employer in the country. More American people work for the government than those working in mining, fishing, construction and manufacturing combined.

WSJ: Govít Workers Outnumber Construction, Farming, Fishing, Forestry, Manufacturing, Mining, & Utilities Workers Combined | TheBlaze.com

Some of the richest "workers" in America do nothing but shuffle papers and surf the internet all day for a living. A huge percentage of unemployed people collect welfare benefits.

Most Americans take for granted that most of us live in relatively safe environments free of the chaos that is all too common overseas. We don't have regular suicide bombings here in America. Our country has not been ravaged by recent civil wars like Central America, Southeast Asia, the Middle East etc. And unlike countries like France, we do not have constant violent protests in the streets at the drop of a hat. Yes, American inner cities have a large share of scary gun violence, mayhem and murder. But by in large, most of America is very safe in the suburbs, rural areas and gentrified areas of big cities. Our economy here in America is also not yet as ravaged as places in Western Europe like Greece where widespread unemployment is much more epidemic.

But even the poorest of the poor in America are filthy rich compared to the absolutely poor people who live in third world countries. In America, we have public housing, welfare, EBT, food stamps, free cellphones etc. The homeless truly do have it bad here in America. But the institutionalized "poverty" we have here in America doesn't resemble third world poverty one bit. Poverty in America comes with $200 sneakers, an apartment or even a house to live in (in the hood) and 7-11 snacks. Looking at America as a whole, nobody starves to death like in other countries around the world. In America, we do not deal with scary issues like food insecurity and lack of clean drinking water. One billion people do not have access to clean drinking water or have enough food to eat everyday. There is no such thing as "the first" and "fifteenth" in the third world. The average "poor" person in America would be considered a king on the basis of material prosperity in many places in the Caribbean, Africa, Latin America and Asia:

Are Americans living in poverty better off today than they were in 1959? - Slate Magazine

The places we call "ghettos" and "slums" here in America pale in comparison to the third world. Unlike Africa, India or Southeast Asia, our ghettos in America are not packed with people slowing dying from starvation or have lepers roaming the streets. The housing stock in American "slums" is vastly superior to the shanty towns, tin shack villages and garbage stacks that exist in the third world. Even the housing stock in deteriorated post-industrial neighborhoods in Detroit are better than anywhere in Haiti, West Africa or Indonesia. Black folks in American ghettos largely inhabit houses once inhabited by working class to even upper middle class White people prior to White flight. In America, you have historically dangerous crime-ridden places in picture-esque locations in sunny California, a state noted for its year round mild weather and natural beauty, like Compton that are made up of well-maintained single family homes with electricity, running water, two car garages, driveways and manicured front lawns. Many ghetto areas rife with crime here in the U.S. look identical to regular middle class suburban areas. Yet, we as Americans do not as much as blink when we label these areas as being "impoverished".

The fact that we as Americans are so oblivious to our elite status is why most of the world hates us. Instead of starvation, we have an obesity epidemic. Instead of assembling $400 Nikes and iphones as slave labor, we are buying these things and even killing people for these things that cost next to nothing to produce. So-called "poor people" in America line up to buy, and riot over, $185 limited edition Air Jordans every Christmas season.

Air Jordan 11 "Concord" Causes Riots Nationwide | Hypebeast

While a huge percentage of the world lives on a dollar a day or less, we spend exponentially more than that filling up our gas tanks on our gas-guzzling SUV's or splurging on first world luxuries like "bottled water".

Ironically, although American people, as a whole, are much wealthier than people in the third world, we have much higher rates of depression in America compared to people who have so much less than us. Not surprisingly, we have much higher rates of substance abuse than anywhere in the world from illegal drugs to epidemic prescription drug abuse. We may not have lepers here in America, but we do have plenty of weed-heads, coke-fiends, crack-heads, dope-fiends, prescription pill poppers and alcoholics to go around. Massive open air drug markets in American cities like Baltimore are a testament to America's insatiable appetite for illegal drugs from heroin to marijuana.

France, U.S. Have Highest Depression Rates in World, Study Suggests - Bloomberg

Is it possible one day in the near future that our artificial prosperity fueled irresponsible federal government spending will come to a crashing halt and Americans will come to know the real pain and poverty that exists in the third world? Is poverty in America a joke on a global scale? American people should never forget how good we have it because it might not always be this way. Thoughts?

I couldn't even read the second half of your post it is so silly and full of nonsense. Do you know what the HDI is? It actually quantifies your random application of "having it the best" and shows that while you apparently live in a bubble there are several countries that have it better than "we do".

We are not the following things which I hold in highest regard....

-we are not the most education citizens (per capita/formal education)
-we are not the most wealthy citizens (per capita GDP)
-we spend the most money on healthcare and don't have the highest median life expectancy.
-we police the world against their will and the will of the minority if not majority of our own citizens.
-we have 25% of the population with mental disorders (depression or worse)
-we have $16Trillion in debt that cannot be paid off anytime soon
-we have a deteriorating societal values, freedoms and government
-we have more people in prison than any other country in the world.

The list could go on and on, but I'll spare the readers. Google "HDI" and please realize that while you are naive and were taught this is the greatest country "just because" is no longer a valid argument. Yes, the USA is better than a host of other option; but for you to stand here and castigate people for simply enjoying the fruits of their labor, education, etc, etc is laughable and foolish.

Battling dumb, day after day wears out my fingers.
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Old 01-08-2013, 06:09 PM
 
Location: 'Murica
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America is raised on a capitalistic ideal. It's raised on competition, not family and friendly bonds. We compete to afford basic needs here unlike most other countries. It's hard to expect people raised on those ideals to encompass what you wish for. People in more social conscious countries do have those ideals but their country runs on the same. Some of us have them here but lets face it, money is the bottom line, not family or friends. You can't help out family or friends without money. We are greedy, but we were raised to be. Regardless of being spoiled. These are our ideals. The great American dream doesn't sell social responsibility. It sells competition and reward for climbing over friends and family when needed to succeed.

Individually we do help, I know a lot of volunteers. Some people hold those values regardless of their bad luck in our competitive society. Basic needs aren't a social affair here. Socialism is a bad word here. So, we are capitalist, even if we don't like the people we become from it. Fat, lazy, depressed. When I travel I can definitely see a difference in how a countries ideals play into how the people act day to day. We seem more desperate and we complain a lot, but that would fit our populations ideals. I can see clearly why we act this way.
I respect your opinion, but the reason we have it so much better than other countries is precisely because of our capitalistic ideal. Few other countries are able to provide the kinds of opportunities that we enjoy here in the U.S., leaving many people in other countries in a perpetual state of despair.

Our problem here is that we have it too easy, taking for granted our exceptionally high standard of living, and NOT having the motivation to grow on a personal level.
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:02 PM
 
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Its all the baby boomers fault! Bunch of hippies wanted change. Well, they gets it.
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Aventura FL
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I respect your opinion, but the reason we have it so much better than other countries is precisely because of our capitalistic ideal. Few other countries are able to provide the kinds of opportunities that we enjoy here in the U.S., leaving many people in other countries in a perpetual state of despair.

Our problem here is that we have it too easy, taking for granted our exceptionally high standard of living, and NOT having the motivation to grow on a personal level.
Why do you think that you have it much better? I come from one of those terrible "other countries". All I see is nonsense, because unless you're wealthy, I don't see how the middle class or the working class have it any better here than where I come from, apart from being able to own a bigger (and more cheaply built) house, all at the expense of having to work more hours and pay through the nose for healthcare.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: 'Murica
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Why do you think that you have it much better? I come from one of those terrible "other countries". All I see is nonsense, because unless you're wealthy, I don't see how the middle class or the working class have it any better here than where I come from, apart from being able to own a bigger (and more cheaply built) house, all at the expense of having to work more hours and pay through the nose for healthcare.
Without knowing specifically what country you're from, we generally enjoy lower taxes and greater purchasing power than middle-class Europeans, and a higher standard of living than those in developing nations.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The u.s. gives more billions in foreign aid than any other country- more americans have died freeing half the world, in world wars,,, (on foreign soil too)

I have relatives that died for freeing countries that spit on us now....because those countries could not fight for themselves

without the u.s, the world would be speaking german or russian



all the america haters may well have some satisfaction in a few years...... we will soon be 20 trillion in debt......and not be able to pay the interest on it- thanks to the liberals in charge...
the only winners are the politicians,,,who have a golden parachute til death,,they took care of themselves, at the expense of the rest of us
Agreed, 100%
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