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Old 11-10-2013, 06:33 PM
 
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What can I say? That's just the way we all learned it back in grade school --- I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America except the Great Lakes states who should be made to suffer.
By the way, I was just joking about my posting. I am an American 100% and would never want the Great Lakes to split off. Just an interesting thread to start...sort of a response to all those Texans who want to form their own country. However, I do wish that the entire Great Lakes Basin was in one state.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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By the way, I was just joking about my posting. I am an American 100% and would never want the Great Lakes to split off. Just an interesting thread to start...sort of a response to all those Texans who want to form their own country. However, I do wish that the entire Great Lakes Basin was in one state.
So, we'd have even less power to control our own resources? New York, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota currently have 2 senators each, total 12. If they were 1 state, they'd lose 10 senators.

I think NOT!
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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The Great Lakes states are sitting on billions of dollars in wealth via gas, oil and coal, but they are not going to tap it because of the green people's desire to make us suffer.
We use the lakes for water and recreation. If we started pumping and drilling it might turn into another gulf of Mexico... No thanks.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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So, we'd have even less power to control our own resources? New York, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota currently have 2 senators each, total 12. If they were 1 state, they'd lose 10 senators.

I think NOT!
You forgot Pennsylvania. (Erie is quite nice). I actually wasn't talking about incorporating the entire states of New York, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, and Pennsylvania into one state. All of those states would exist with their 2 senators. I was merely saying it would be nice if Michigan's border was expanded to incorporate the entire Great Lakes Basin.

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Old 11-17-2013, 01:27 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Somehow St. Louis gets clumped in this megalopolis, but I think its a relatively tenuous association. Despite rail connections to Chicago and being on the border of Illinois, is this a legitimate megalopolis that stretches nearly 300 miles from the Great Lakes its named after? Maybe if we actually had those 300 mph bullet trains it would be a more cohesive region centered around Chicago. I could actually see people commuting from Chicago to St. Louis and vice versa if there were Maglev trains that could allow people to get from the Arch to the Loop in 90 mins.
...Does St. Louis actually get clumped in some Great Lakes-related megalopolis? If so, by whom? "Relatively tenuous" is quite generous...I'd go with "not at all tenable" instead
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:28 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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The Great Lakes states are sitting on billions of dollars in wealth via gas, oil and coal, but they are not going to tap it because of the green people's desire to make us suffer.
Yeah, well, welcome to your suffering. Read up on climatology before you post any further.
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Old 11-21-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Didn't the question of secession get answered 150 years ago?

no it did not, not through a court, just through the military. figure that a state that enters the union does so with a compact or contract. when that contract is violated on one end (federal government), then the state can choose to go it alone if they so choose.
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Old 11-22-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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UPDATE: This is and always has been a perpetual union. Like residence and citizenship for an individual, a grant of statehood involves conformance to law and surrender of a good deal of sovereignty. Once you join, there is no way out again, save by the formal assent and permission of those who would be left behind. As for court issues, perhaps you missed this...

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Meanwhile, the water issue is a very serious one, and pretty much everyone not in the Northeast, Upper Midwest, and Pacific Northwest is going to have to deal with it directly in the not so distant future. Considering a whole lot of our food comes from those other places, the debate will be about more than just maintaining golf courses in the desert.

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Old 11-22-2013, 07:21 PM
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And then the states that produce oil can secede to protect themselves, and the states that produce grains can secede to protect themselves, and the states that produce fruits and vegetables during the winter months can secede, and on and on till we completely eliminate the need for cooperation.

Bad idea.

Signed,

Michigan Resident
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:56 PM
 
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And then the states that produce oil can secede to protect themselves, and the states that produce grains can secede to protect themselves, and the states that produce fruits and vegetables during the winter months can secede, and on and on till we completely eliminate the need for cooperation.

Bad idea.

Signed,

Michigan Resident


it does not really matter anymore. I truly believe that secession is a matter of fact sooner or later and the feds wont be able to do anything about it but stand by and watch.

I figure 3-5 states will secede and the feds will blink and do nothing.

too many people are getting tired of the edicts from DC and caant stand it anymore.
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