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"On Monday, the two Waukesha girls were charged in Waukesha County Circuit Court as adults with attempted first-degree intentional homicide, each facing up to 65 years in prison. Their victim, another 12-year-old from Waukesha, was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both, according to a criminal complaint."
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"Both suspects explained the stabbing to police referencing their dedication to Slender Man, the character they discovered on a website called Creepypasta Wiki, which is devoted to horror stories."
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"Geyser gave Weier the knife, but Weier said she told Geyser she was too squeamish and gave it back. Weier said that once Geyser got the knife back, Geyser told Weier, "I'm not going to until you tell me to." Weier said she started walking away from Geyser and then told her, "Go ballistic, go crazy." Geyser said she would go ballistic, and Weier said, "Now."
Weier said Geyser then tackled the victim and started stabbing her. The victim was screaming. Weier said when Geyser got off the victim, the victim screamed, "I hate you. I trusted you."
Weier said the victim tried to walk toward the street but was stumbling. They didn't want anyone to see her, so Weier grabbed her arm and pulled her away from the street. The victim fell. Weier said the victim couldn't breathe, see or walk. Weier told the victim to lie down and be quiet — she would lose blood more slowly. Weier told police she gave the victim those instructions so she wouldn't draw attention to herself, and so she would die."
Did these two girls have malice aforethought and intend to kill their victim? Yes.
Do I think these two girls should be tried as adults? No.
Why do I think this way? Because I think it's likely that these two young girls never had or lost their ability to reason.
Moreover, while I am absolutely mind blown by what these girls told law enforcement and the clear enormity of their crime, I have to wonder if the parents arranged for appropriate legal counsel after they were arrested and prior to their being questioned.
What do you think?
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I don't know exactly how I feel, but I know I don't want them in a society I live in. I saw this on the news this morning, and they feel no remorse. It sounds like psychopathic behavior, which is very hard to rehabilitate or change. What would you suggest be done to them?
I don't know exactly how I feel, but I know I don't want them in a society I live in. I saw this on the news this morning, and they feel no remorse. It sounds like psychopathic behavior, which is very hard to rehabilitate or change. What would you suggest be done to them?
I believe it is clear these two girls had become totally disassociated with reality and need real help mentally. Moreover, one of the girls asked a person who was questioning her, in a serious way, if their stabbing of the victim represented self-defense. To me, that is a thought only a fruit-caked mind would think possible.
Moreover, it sounds like after they had stabbed their victim, they took off on a walk to meet the mythical character, Slender Man, in his mansion in a forest.
I think this is far more a case for mental health professionals than it is for an adult penitentiary.
Well they're not adults, but most normal 12 year olds don't do this sort of thing. I think a long stint in juvie followed by close monitoring would be most appropriate in this case. Close attention should be paid to the psychological profiles of the killers. I don't believe 12 year olds are totally incapable of reason, at 12 I knew murder was wrong, and I knew right from wrong, yet at the same time their brains aren't QUITE as developed as an adult. It doesn't mean they acted with no malice and they didn't do it out of their own volution.
I think they should be tried as juveniles and kept within the juvenile justice system.
However, I think custody for the next six years until they turn age 18 is appropriate. These girls have lost the right to live at home with their families through their violent actions.
I believe it is clear these two girls had become totally disassociated with reality and need real help mentally. Moreover, one of the girls asked a person who was questioning her, in a serious way, if their stabbing of the victim represented self-defense. To me, that is a thought only a fruit-caked mind would think possible.
Moreover, it sounds like after they had stabbed their victim, they took off on a walk to meet the mythical character, Slender Man, in his mansion in a forest.
I think this is far more a case for mental health professionals than it is for an adult penitentiary.
No, the kid asked if it was illegal to stab someone in self-defense. The detective said sometimes, is that what happened here? And she said no. Of course there's something wrong w/them but I still say lock 'em up.
It's hard to say at this point what should happen to these girls. This was just too calculated. If there is some mitigating circumstance, like a history of mental illness, then they should be dealt with in juvenile court. Or even a history or abuse or some sort of trauma might explain this kind of psychopathic behavior.
But it could also be that they're just cold blooded sociopaths, even at 12 years old. In that case, they need to be locked away from society as long as possible.
They need to be locked up in a secure psychiatric facility for as long as necessary to cure them. If they can't be rehabilitated, they should never be released.
If this were two male 12 year olds. Would you ask the same questions? Or would we put different standards on this case because they are girls? What if they were gang members? Or drug dealing gang members? I know that's not the case, but there's 1000's of drug dealing gang member 12 year olds out there, most of whom, if caught in a case of murder such as this, WOULD be tried as adults...
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