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Old 06-11-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The constitution does not grant you rights, these are yours at birth, the Bill of Rights establishes restrictions on congress that they can not makes laws that infringe upon these rights.

As for State rights verses State powers, the power of the state lies within the people of the state, it is the people that give the state it's powers. State rights are spelled out in the constitution, state rights are the interaction between the central government and each state. According to the constitution the people of each state has the power to grant the state it's powers as long as it does not conflict with the US Constitution.
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Old 06-11-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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I'm curious, do you think there's a meaningful difference in this context? I've considered the two a matter of semantics, but I suppose there could be a difference.
States' powers are granted to them by the Constitution. "Rights" carries the implication of being inherent: recognized by law but not stemming from law.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Does he have a point? Is the Bill of Rights essentially the Bill of Temporary Privileges?

The way this current administration (and the one before it) interprets them they are temporary privileges.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Comedian George Carlin, who died in 2008, said:

"Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away, They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news, even badly, you know that the list gets shorter and shorter"

Does he have a point? Is the Bill of Rights essentially the Bill of Temporary Privileges?

Sure, but, tweak it a bit further.....They are privileges that may/may not be temporary based on the varying political winds at any given point. And, much like any weather forecast, no one can predict them quite accurately. I would say that it is more like a political wind that tends to strengthen with time and in some cases, become a downright hurricane/tornado should you so much as dream of messing with them (think, 1st and 2nd ammendments).

It may seem like a giant fart to some BUT the owner of said fart who always seems to be quite content in the relief aspect more than the residual effects. Some of us don't like the farts thrown on us, most just adjust and take comfort in knowing that they deal a few from time to time and some are just plain violent Moderator cut: off topic about them.

If you want to change the "wind" you better bring your A game because the folks who can change them usually have a very, very high tariff placed to do so and little interest in abating the effects.....

That help?

Last edited by Oldhag1; 06-12-2014 at 05:33 PM.. Reason: Unless the topic is specifically about politics discussion of political parties will always be considered off topic
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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Carlin was right as back when the BoR were written, those original ten were most important. Nowadays, how important is the 3rd Amendment? These days, how flimsy is the 4th Amendment and how easy to abrogate it over the internet with malware, spyware or over the cell w/metadata collection? Every week you can see some fiend or a subordinate to a fiend take the 5th Amendment and suffer nothing for it. The 6th can be ignored if the media finds enough gold in the cases they popularize and milk. The 7th Amendment- Really? $20? Quite a difference that $20 makes between 1789 and 2014. The last three are loopholes needed to close out the document in my opinion, though the 10th is such a joke currently and the 1st and 2nd are most definitely on the way out permanently.
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:50 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Does he have a point? Is the Bill of Rights essentially the Bill of Temporary Privileges?

The way this current administration (and the one before it) interprets them they are temporary privileges.


only if he wants to start a war, one that the federal government will lose in the end.
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