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You do not have the right to call an airport and tell them that there is a major security breech/imminent attack. That is because your rights have limits. The libel laws that govern our free press are a mile long. There are more rules governing the press than there are for firearms. That is because the right to a free press has limits. Most people cannot practice bigamy, even if their religion says it's OK. That's because our right to worship as we please has limits.
We cannot protest our country's insane gun laws in the middle of I-95, because our right to assemble has limits.
Your analogy is no more than saying I don't have a right to take a steak by using a gun instead of cash.
Your hyperbole is aking to just saying that our rights are meaningless.
You call our gun laws insane, have you ever looked to see how many gun laws are already on the books?
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Even, clearly your hero, Joe Biden said the last round of gun control law attempts would have not stopped Sandy Hook, or many of the other gun crimes in this country.
So your argument is invalid, and further proof that its not really gun control. Its people control.
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^^^ In addition to this....you DO have a right to own and carry a gun, but NOT the right to threaten or shoot people with it for no reason....THAT would be the comparison to calling in an attack on something!
The anti-gunners LOVE perverted logic but cannot stand grounded logic or facts.
FACT....the people that want to ban guns are the ones who love to let violent criminals to be free to commit more crimes.
16 pages of "there is no Santa Claus" vs "yes there is" and the only mention of banning guns is the assertion that the rabid pro-gun crowd cannot wrap their heads around anything that isn't complete prohibition.
As far as the gun nuts are concerned, once we take guns from criminals and the violently insane, it's only a matter of time before we take shotguns from hunters, decorative muskets from living room walls, and small-caliber rifles away from our own biathlon team. It simply isn't the case, no matter how much the gun nuts want it to be.
Nobody is coming for your guns -- unless you're a violent crazy, a felon, a domestic batterer, dishonorably discharged from the military, and all the rest of the provisions from the 1968 Gun Control Act -- which is the law of the land, incidentally.
16 pages of "there is no Santa Claus" vs "yes there is" and the only mention of banning guns is the assertion that the rabid pro-gun crowd cannot wrap their heads around anything that isn't complete prohibition.
As far as the gun nuts are concerned, once we take guns from criminals and the violently insane, it's only a matter of time before we take shotguns from hunters, decorative muskets from living room walls, and small-caliber rifles away from our own biathlon team. It simply isn't the case, no matter how much the gun nuts want it to be.
Nobody is coming for your guns -- unless you're a violent crazy, a felon, a domestic batterer, dishonorably discharged from the military, and all the rest of the provisions from the 1968 Gun Control Act -- which is the law of the land, incidentally.
Anyone? Please man, you want just the top few offenders or the whole list of politicians that would strip our gun rights TODAY if they had the power and votes.
Says the citizen of the only developed country where mass murder is common.
If we simply enforced the Gun Control Act of 1968, most of our gun problems would disappear.
That prohibits the sale to:
Has been convicted of, or is under indictment for, a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year
Is a fugitive from justice
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance
Is underage
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution
Is unlawfully in the United States or has been admitted to the U.S. under a nonimmigrant visa
Has been dishonorably discharged from the military
Has renounced his or her U.S. citizenship
Is subject to a court order restraining him or her from harassing, stalking or threatening an intimate partner, his or her child or a child of a partner or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; or
Has been convicted of a misdemeanor offense of domestic violence
If we make gun shows and private sales hold to the same standards as gun sales at gun dealerships, we will have less gun crime. We know this because other countries do this and they don't have weekly mass murder.
This is not "punishing the many." Our unrestricted gun access punishes the many on a near weekly basis.
Your living in a fantasy world if you believe that. several of the shooters bought their guns from a gun store and they went thru the background check, several stole the guns they used, one murdered his mother to get her guns, so where in the background checks would this have been prevented ?
I want you to show me one time where a gun has gone on a rampage and shot someone.
in every single case it is a HUMAN that operates a gun, so maybe it is a HUMAN issue. Everyday I hear of people being killed by cars, is it a car issue or a human issue ?
You want to stop mass shootings ? get rid of no gun zones, the colorado shooter drove past several movie theaters because he knew that guns were allowed and he might get shot. How many shooting have occurred in so called gun free zones ? All but one occurred where guns were not allowed,including military bases, why is that ? because these nut jobs are cowards and they don't want anyone shooting back.
Sorry, we have a people problem, not a gun problem, quit blaming a chunk of steel and put the blame where it should be, on the person doing the shooting.
I am so sick "Guns kill people".
Normal gun owners do not commit mass shooting.
Why we cannot relook at mental illness and how we treat it?
Cars don't kill people, either. Drivers do. But it seems to me that, over time, various Laws regarding the safety of cars, both the machine itself and the user, have evolved, and are fairly closely monitored at all times via law enforcement. It seems to me that both the machine and its end-user have been taken into consideration.
I think it might be intelligent to shine such a light on firearms in such a way as to respect the vast, vast majority of users, while at the same time working to treat and prevent social and psychological situations that result in the curious access to, and injurious use of others with said machine.
But so many occupants of both sides of that argument don't really want to listen to anything but themselves.
What gets me is the whole "gun control equals prohibition" stance from the rabid pro-gun crowd. The 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere. We have never rescinded anything in the Bill of Rights. We have never tried to. And the last time we overturned something directly in the Constitution it was to END prohibition.
Prohibition doesn't work. We all recognize this, even those who don't want to admit it about the prohibition of narcotics. Criminalizing guns would cause far more problems than it would solve.
Other free nations have hunters and sportsmen and target shooters and biathletes, and they're able to use their firearms in a safe and responsible manner. And they don't experience mass murder the way the United States experiences mass murder.
I have yet to hear from the rabid pro-gun crowd how enforcing the laws which are already on the books, particularly the Gun Control Act of 1968 infringes on their rights. The 2nd Amendment is the law of the land. Nobody is disputing that. But so is the GCA. How does enforcing it infringe on any responsible adult's rights?
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16 pages of "there is no Santa Claus" vs "yes there is" and the only mention of banning guns is the assertion that the rabid pro-gun crowd cannot wrap their heads around anything that isn't complete prohibition.
As far as the gun nuts are concerned, once we take guns from criminals and the violently insane, it's only a matter of time before we take shotguns from hunters, decorative muskets from living room walls, and small-caliber rifles away from our own biathlon team. It simply isn't the case, no matter how much the gun nuts want it to be.
Nobody is coming for your guns -- unless you're a violent crazy, a felon, a domestic batterer, dishonorably discharged from the military, and all the rest of the provisions from the 1968 Gun Control Act -- which is the law of the land, incidentally.
So basically, anyone who supports the right to own a gun is a "gun nut"? LOL okay.
Back on topic...
Either way, people blame guns because it's much more simple than having to admit that mental illness is rampant in our society.
The US doesn't take healthcare very seriously. Mental illness is very difficult to understand and comprehend.
Just look at the comments on articles about celebrities who commit suicide. You get a bunch of comments from people saying "he/she has all the money in the world and decided to kill themselves?"
Um, hello, money doesn't fix depression. And sometimes all of the help in the world can't.
A person will never truly understand mental illness unless they've experienced it firsthand, which is what makes it even more complicated.
So it's just easier to chalk it up to a few people being mentally ill, and others being thugs.
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