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Old 04-25-2015, 10:52 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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America has a major debt spending issue, mostly because of policing the rest of the world. We spend more on military spending than the rest of the world Combined. That is no longer sustainable. I'd like for us to do a Britain style draw down of troops across the globe, but the problem is who fills the void? Britain knew we'd take over, there is no one we trust that would do the same now.
The "World Policeman" role is a big part of the problem but even without that, bloated domestic spending and the inability of Congress to balance the budget would still leave us in a hole.

There are people, who want the USA to send troops into Syria, start a war with Iran, confront China in the South China Sea and even risk a war with Russia over Ukraine. They are still stuck in that USA is the World Policeman role. But this a policeman who receives no pay, no health benefits, receives no credit and only blame, and finally there is no cozy pension waiting at the end!
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Old 04-25-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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I think the OP should have mentioned how far we've fallen behind academically. That's pretty embarrassing.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:49 PM
 
Location: NH
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America is spoiled, that is the problem. TV, the media, unions. Most of the time when something tries to be solved it is made worse.
It is turning into a nation of brainwashed and drug addicted chumps.
No 'common sense' in America
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Between the Alps and the North Sea
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America is going the way all empires/superpowers went before it, to decline. That is an inevitable course of history. Enjoy that sunset while it lasts!
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: NH
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America is going the way all empires/superpowers went before it, to decline. That is an inevitable course of history. Enjoy that sunset while it lasts!
So liberalism equals big government equals decline of a free country, I agree. Is anarchy the inevitable consequence of this fiasco?
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Between the Alps and the North Sea
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So liberalism equals big government equals decline of a free country, I agree. Is anarchy the inevitable consequence of this fiasco?
Not necessarily. I think America will probably remain one of the developed nations in the future, but it will not be a "superpower", its troops will not police half the world, and it will not be seen as exceptional. As for being a free country, America does not have an exclusive right to call itself that for a long time now. Other nations are no less free.
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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U.S. is doing fine. We still have amazing school that brings lots of foreign money to this country. We still lead the medical field and are still in a great shape for technology.

The problem is that Americans spend more money than they can afford. We also started to enjoy luxury life. The old middle class was very hard working and were good with money. New generation is lazy and do not want to work hard to make money. They just want to be rich.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:24 PM
 
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THE HARD TO DIGEST SIDE OF A REALITY WE AS AMERICAN SOCIETY OF PEOPLE GROOMED INTO BEING

The new generation is not lazy, they simply do not have a value base or a ethical foundation to draw and focus upon. Therefore, they are into "external imagery", illusion of grandeur by focus on social media popularity", the pursuit of prestige and want of money, without any regards for the ethics of means to acquire it.

They are uninformed on a great many things and substitute the lack of informed knowledge of value, civic responsibility and the lack of direction.... their substitute is "Slap stick comedic commentary"..

Sadly, they learned a great deal of that from the ' sarcastic commentary used by Baby Boomers and the Boomers offspring's, in the excessive use of "put down commentary", "arrogant and loathing slap stick punditry" without any substance or depth to be informed within the conversation or the written content. This is followed up by a short attention span and the inability to deal with compound subject material. This was and is within the cultural norm within the American society.

Too many people want to be the two liner wit master. This is not only in written form, but within how the spoken engagement of dialog exist among the generational exchanges.

People want to tell the young that work is only about seeing "arseholes and elbows" in the air - when that is not the nature of what is work nor labor in this new era of industry nor employment functions.
It is about "critical thinking" and "attention to detail" and "performance with focus on efficiency to produce excellence" and to do so with ethical premise as the core within what they do and what is and has been done. Unfortunately, they have not been trained to have concept of ethical premise, and certainly they have been trained not to make it part of the core.

We also cannot and do not need a Right Wing mentality that cares to draw lines between people, life and how life is lived and between things and places. We no longer need Right Wing pursuits to spread their loathing about things they cannot control, regulate and dictate nor their aims to try and force people to conform to its multi variable segregationist ideology. That kind of 1950's madness is over, and it is not to return within the American landscape of how people live and function within the make up of society.
We no longer live in a society where 'the white is right premise" is pushed and forced upon others. We are not a society of citizens who accept that everyone is expected to meet with what is dictated" by the "white is right edicts of a 1950's white dominated society. It does not work in the society of today, not among women, not among the vast array of whites who live on different economic levels, and not among minorities.
This is a hard lesson for the Right Wing to acknowledge and learn.

Another matter is, our government did not just come up with out of thin air, the things it committed to spend and support; it was legislated through much thought and decision to accept. Our issue is we allowed lobbyist to buy away the sense of responsibility in those we allowed to create life careers in the political system. We saw nothing but a 'give the rich another tax break", let the rich move industry off shore and give them a tax brake for doing so, make concessions for them when they do so. These are elements of our issues with the loss of industry and the revenue which was lost with it.
We cry about term limits, without knowing we are the public who can IMPOSE term limits with our votes!!!!!! Stop voting the same people in over and over until they are so old and decrepit in mentality awareness of the changes in society, they remain being 'ELECTED BY PEOPLES VOTES", to sit there and clog up the system. YOUR VOTE determins the limits of their term in office !!!!!!!!!!

We (the voting public)_then elect a radical groups with the like of Tea Party and Libertarians, who disrupt and bring bias, and other ideologies which result to favor business being the dictator of people. We get caught up in commercial advertisement to the excessive degree, we elect who spends the most money to spread the most vitriol to the masses. Instead of being people who actually invest time to learn who are these people pursuing office and who is paying them to push an agenda.

What the 21st Century has brought to clarity is, "the American general public is not as smart as they assumed themselves to be, based on the self imagery born from a history of their usage of "put down commentary" as a control tool, driven by an arrogant and bigoted concept of self.

We failed to be and become learned people as a society. The old adage of the older baby boomers shoot from the hip put down and slap stick does not work, because society is filled with information which has proven that method to be inferior and uninformed as they are unaware to accept growth and change.
They made themselves "irrelevant". Now the new era of Right Wing leader use that impending irrelevance and its anguish, as the fulcrum to push contentions and conflict as a new form of "re-shaped put down and push back and hold back policies".

What our new generation has as major issues is the obsession with lewdness, lack of moral conscience, and being caught up in the delusion of absurdity when it comes to their consumption in external self measurements based on material matter and absurdity in self presentation. They don't know any better because the sons and daughters of the baby boomers were raised with obsessions of material acquisition as self measurement, these are the people who borne and breed the existing generation upon those same external self measurements aims.

People sent kids to university with one goal in mind, "get a degree so you can get money" - the result is they did so, and they adopted a "by any means possible, get money", this became their measure of what they were taught is success. Ethics and Character development had no part within it. They were taught to pursue prestige by getting money and material things. And that is exactly what they did, and in doing so, they brought down a country in these pursuits.
They had and do not have any concerns for the thoughts, that a nation needs maintenance and it survives by civic responsibility and respect of community and citizens. These things mean nothing, because they were taught "by any means possible, get money" and this model was based on "get a degree so you can get money". They are now unwilling to listen unto anything that does not fit within that framework.

Passed along within this generational exchange
, was the framework of Antebellum Thinking of class divisions; maintain a service class society, and supporting the continuance of a share cropper style society of clerks and laborers. This passed down thinking, included the concept and aim to take away any provisions and all benefits which might have potential for individuals to move across barrier designed class divisions.

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Old 04-25-2015, 10:04 PM
 
Location: California
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U.S. is doing fine. We still have amazing school that brings lots of foreign money to this country. We still lead the medical field and are still in a great shape for technology.

The problem is that Americans spend more money than they can afford. We also started to enjoy luxury life. The old middle class was very hard working and were good with money. New generation is lazy and do not want to work hard to make money. They just want to be rich.
We do have some top notch private universities, though overall I wouldn't call our universities better than their European counterparts. Oxford, Cambridge anyone?

We die younger than everyone else in other first world countries. Overall we have terrible access of healthcare, and of course we have the most expensive healthcare in the world, that is funded on a per-test basis making it inefficient. If you can afford out of pocket experimental cancer treatment cancer we're marginally better than other first world countries, but thats it. Despite all these tales of Canadians coming in droves to get "excellent American healthcare" I'd conjecture in the coming years we will have a much larger exodus of people leaving to get affordable healthcare than those coming in.

Technology is a strong sector in the US. But with other countries not adhering to patent laws and lots of rampant outsourcing of R&D it won't be able to prop up the entire American economy on it's own.

I'd say we're on our way to becoming a middle of the road first world nation. But in order to truly stay first world we will need to decrease military spending and improve healthcare access. And by doing so we'll no longer be able to be the world's policeman.
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Old 04-26-2015, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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"I have a gun, however who decided having a gun is a right?"

Our forefathers who fought a revolution to preserve that right. On April 19, 1775 our forefathers stood against the most powerful army in the world and defeated that army. They sent the Redcoats back to Boston from Concord, Mass - empty handed. We forget our history at our peril. Tyrants still want to take our firearms. They will not be successful.
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