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Old 04-26-2015, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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U.S. is doing fine. We still have amazing school that brings lots of foreign money to this country. We still lead the medical field and are still in a great shape for technology.

The problem is that Americans spend more money than they can afford. We also started to enjoy luxury life. The old middle class was very hard working and were good with money. New generation is lazy and do not want to work hard to make money. They just want to be rich.
It's not just younger generations at fault here. Babyboomers and Generation X as well have got this BS entitlement mentality that they are owed something and constantly whine whenever they view something as not having gone there way. You see in this thread tons of ******** and moaning because all people want to do anymore is complain about things and want to play partisanship with the whole right wing and left wing BS. You try and point out how the US is doing better then the rest of the world at something or at least is doing well compared to most of the rest of the world at something and you see them go into an emo rant because you dare say something positive about the United States. It's really just gotten pathetic at this point. The US is going to be fine going into the future. Although I'm sure some whiner on here is going to cry foul that I dare say something positive.
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Old 04-26-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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Generations are comprised of tens of millions of highly disparate individuals. The notion that people can be blamed or credited for things on the basis of their date of birth is simply ridiculous.
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Old 04-26-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Bitter Medicine - Cures what ails America
• [] 93% reduction in Federal Budget
• [] Ban enforcing contracts for usury in American courts
• [] Repatriation of all military personnel and material from foreign bases
• [] Collapse / Repeal of national socialism / Socialist InSecurity
• [] End the State of Emergency
• [] Simplify government to securing rights; adjudicating disputes; and little else
• [] No recipient of public funds can vote in any election for a period no less than two years from last disbursement (Beggars can’t be choosers)
• [] Provide legal recognition for private promissory notes as mediums of exchange, as dividends, and severely punish counterfeiters, etc., etc.
• [] No privilege of limited liability (i.e., investors, board members and officers of corporations, etc, are 100% liable) - eliminates the need for regulations and bureaucracy to administer and enforce.
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Old 04-26-2015, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Bitter Medicine - Cures what ails America
• [] 93% reduction in Federal Budget
• [] Ban enforcing contracts for usury in American courts
• [] Repatriation of all military personnel and material from foreign bases
• [] Collapse / Repeal of national socialism / Socialist InSecurity
• [] End the State of Emergency
• [] Simplify government to securing rights; adjudicating disputes; and little else
• [] No recipient of public funds can vote in any election for a period no less than two years from last disbursement (Beggars can’t be choosers)
• [] Provide legal recognition for private promissory notes as mediums of exchange, as dividends, and severely punish counterfeiters, etc., etc.
• [] No privilege of limited liability (i.e., investors, board members and officers of corporations, etc, are 100% liable) - eliminates the need for regulations and bureaucracy to administer and enforce.
Are you effing kidding me??!!?? That has to be the most arrogant, unempathetic, unconstitutional, un-American thing I have heard, maybe ever. First off, the Constitution (you know that document Republicans claim to love so much) says EVERY US citizen of age has the right to vote. No exceptions.

Yes, There Is A Right To Vote In The Constitution | Constitutional Accountability Center

Secondly EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN uses public funding. You use roads, you use public funding, your kids go to school, you use public funding, you go to college, you use public funding, you need to call the police or fire department, you use public funding, you use water or electricity in your home, you use public funding.

I'm sure your probably talking about people who get money directly from the government. So I guess you are okay with denying veterans, disabled people, and the elderly the right to vote?

Oh, no you mean those lazy food stamp recipients? It would behoove you to know that over 80% of people on food stamps HAVE A JOB! Did you know that in some states, even TEACHERS qualify for food stamps?? This is because overall incomes are TOO LOW for today's cost of living. And because the Constitution says EVERY CITIZEN has the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we have an obligation to make sure our citizens are fed, have shelter and are healthy (and I'm pretty sure Jesus would agree with that too). Now, personally I would MUCH rather these million and billionaire CEO's pay their employees a LIVING wage so I as a tax payer do not have to pick up the slack, but sorry my morals won't let a person starve to death because of a greedy millionaire. Ugh!

The new face of food stamps: working-age Americans
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Old 04-27-2015, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Thank you, I grew up in NYC.

Multi million dollar Manhattan buildings with rotted plumbing. Even the subway has water main*sp breaks. Homeless men on the street, zero compassion.
This as a New Yorker I agree with. NYC also has plenty of crumbling infrastructure yet ultra rich and wealthy camp their money there and are subsidized by the city via taxes. The wealthy need to invest more in the cities public infrastructure instead of parking assets in personal private residences. I don't know how or why immigrants and out of town suburban whites still have a huge infatuation with a crap city like NYC?
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Old 04-27-2015, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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America is falling behind for various reasons which I would like to get into. First off the US has a declining "middle class" THe middle class a generation ago were secure and able to provide a modest living for raising a family, marriage, home ownership, education and even secure themselves for retirement. With the decline of the middle class, Americans began to take out more ever more loans to keep with the Jones.

Most of America's problems are not from external but from internal. The 2008 economic collapsed erase plenty of wealth from ordinary Americans. Certain ethinic groups in this country plunged deeper into poverty such as black Americans who did not regain any wealth from the crash compared to ordinary whites, while other ethinic groups remain in poverty such as Native Americans and Hispanics. Another problem is the decline of the family unit in this country which is contributing to the decline of the American middle class. Less and less people are getting married or holding off on marriage and more and more singles are having kids. Most births in this country are under Medicaid instead of private insurance. The 2008 economic crash created more inequality in black and lower income communities. Lower income communities saw increased gentrification of urban areas which are now reserved for more affluent people. Blacks in America are going to prison at higher rates due to lack of jobs, lack of jobs or access to jobs, means increased crime rates and more suspicion amongst law enforcement.

Globally? America will remain a dominant power, but it wont be a lone super power, but a major power or regional power. 9/11 weakened the USA. 9/11 allowed Russia, India and China assert or reassert themselves into global affairs militarily and economically. USA still has plenty of waterways and land to grow food and so on along with resources to export to the world. Due to increasing internal problems in the USA, the USA might have to force itself to retreat as the police officer of the world in order to improve local problems such as education, transportation, health and so on. The US will have to use divide and conquer to keep countries like China, India and Russia at bay. Again USA will be a dominant power and may have to share the world on equal terms with Brazil, Russia, India and China. But 200 years of Anglo Saxon domination of the world will come to an end this century along with 600 near years of
"Sole" Western dominance will also end.

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Old 11-30-2015, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
Bitter Medicine - Cures what ails America
• [] 93% reduction in Federal Budget
• [] Ban enforcing contracts for usury in American courts
• [] Repatriation of all military personnel and material from foreign bases
• [] Collapse / Repeal of national socialism / Socialist InSecurity
• [] End the State of Emergency
• [] Simplify government to securing rights; adjudicating disputes; and little else
• [] No recipient of public funds can vote in any election for a period no less than two years from last disbursement (Beggars can’t be choosers)
• [] Provide legal recognition for private promissory notes as mediums of exchange, as dividends, and severely punish counterfeiters, etc., etc.
• [] No privilege of limited liability (i.e., investors, board members and officers of corporations, etc, are 100% liable) - eliminates the need for regulations and bureaucracy to administer and enforce.
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Are you effing kidding me??!!?? That has to be the most arrogant, unempathetic, unconstitutional, un-American thing I have heard, maybe ever. First off, the Constitution (you know that document Republicans claim to love so much) says EVERY US citizen of age has the right to vote. No exceptions.
Thank you for the kind words of support. Insults are high praise. I blush.
But your rebuttal is meaningless.

In case you are unaware, the USCON guarantees a republican form (See: Art.4, Sec. 4), but the USCON is not the SOURCE of the republican form. The republican form was instituted by the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE wherein it states that Americans are endowed by their Creator with rights that government was instituted to secure.

You should look up natural rights, natural liberty and personal liberty. Those are "rights" that exist INDEPENDENT of the government and not subject to any election.
" PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987...
Restating, that which many not be submitted to a vote, nor depend upon an election nor dependent upon the constitution are ENDOWED ("sacred") RIGHTS and LIBERTIES.

Please note, "voting" is not one of the endowed rights. Without government, there is nothing to vote about.
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln

As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).

Restating, unless you consent, you are not "governed" by government instituted to secure endowed rights.... to life, to liberty, to absolute ownership of private property.

...
The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".
. . .
“ It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

Make no mistake!
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to life.
• But citizens have no inalienable (endowed) right to life.
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to natural and personal liberty.
• But citizens have only civil and political liberty.
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to absolutely own private property (upon which you can pursue happiness without permission of a superior).
• But citizens have no private property, absolutely owned... a portion can be claimed by the government.
If you've consented to be a citizen, you have NO ENDOWED RIGHTS.
Zip. Nada. Bumpkiss. Empty Set. Nought.
Any presumption to the contrary is an error not supported by law nor court ruling.

The government can order you to train, fight, and die, on command.
The government can take a portion of your property -or wages - or whatever - as it sees fit.
All authorized by your consent to be a CITIZEN (state or U.S.).
. . . . . . . . .
THIS IS THE "BENEFIT" OF YOUR "RIGHT TO VOTE!" AS A CONSENTING CITIZEN.
(Technically speaking, governments delegated powers do not bestow rights. They bestow privileges, mistakenly called "rights.")

Another reference about citizenship and the drop in status from mandatory civic duties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
“The great draft riot in New York City in July 1863 involved Irish immigrants who had been signed up as citizens to swell the vote of the city's Democratic political machine, not realizing it made them liable for the draft.”
...
[All male CITIZENS, 17-45, are liable for militia duty - a surrender of one’s right to life and liberty! Citizenship was and is voluntary in the united States of America.]

Now, if "indoctrinated Americans" have no clue as to the reason why "Selective Service" is not involuntary servitude, perhaps they also have no clue about "other things" in law and history and government.

In America, no one can be “born a citizen,” unless they were “born a subject / slave.”
Infants cannot consent.
Mandatory civic duties imposed from birth would violate the republican form of government and the 13th amendment to the USCON.

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The PEOPLE are the sovereigns
The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative.
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
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Citizens are NOT sovereigns
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244

"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
. . . Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
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In most other countries, men are subjects of sovereigns, bound to obedience. In countries like the USA, that ENJOY a republican form, sovereign men are not presumed to be subjects and citizens. Nor are they bound to OBEY laws (regulatory).
BUT if one is NOT in a republican form - such as those in a constitutionally limited indirect democracy - one is a subject and bound to obedience - by consent.

The only nation on earth with a republican form where its people are sovereigns, served -not ruled- by government instituted to secure endowed rights is on the brink of collapse, due in part, to the pervasive propaganda used to eradicate any knowledge of AMERICAN REPUBLICANISM.

.................................................. ...............
ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from gutenberg.org)
.................................................. ...............

In the event that 93% of Americans "withdraw consent" from submission to the glorious socialist state, the remaining 7% of stalwart civic minded servants, stuck with paying all the bills, compelled to perform mandatory civic duties, etc, etc, may not be so generous with "public funds," nor with the franchise. At least one can hope so.

YMMV

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Old 11-30-2015, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Oh man. I agree with pretty much everything said so far and I think the simple answer to all these problems is money and (this will **** people off, but), republicans. Democrats aren't innocent either, but the majority of the problems listed can be linked back to republican policy and money.

...
Actually Penny, I agree with you about Republicans (and remember, in my early years of voting, I was one). When I was a kid and young adult, this nation still had the attitude of "We can do this"...whatever it was. Go the moon? We can do that. Solve the Great Depression? We can do that. Save the world from Hitler? We can do that. Stamp out poverty in Appalachia? We can do that. Build the D.C. subway system? We can do that. It didn't matter what the challenge was, we thought "We can do this". Admittedly, sometimes it turned out we couldn't do "it", or doing "it" caused lots of problems, but we still thought "We can do this".

Then, probably starting slowly with Barry Goldwater and moving slowly forward, a new spirit took over the Republican Party -- "We have to do less" and often "We can't do this". Money won out over will. There was a time each generation said we were going to leave our children "more" and "a better world". Now Tea Party thinking is less, less, less, and the GOP has catered to that. And for the first time in my lifetime, I know that our children will have less in the future.

Don't get me wrong. Lots the Democrats have done has not been successful. I could write a blog on that topic alone. But nowadays we have given up the "We can do this" attitude as a nation and sit around wringing our hands saying, "Events are in the saddle and ride mankind".

And a place where I will blame both parties equally is the loss of the ability to compromise. They lay down on the floor kicking and screaming, "I want everything my way, or else!"
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:44 PM
 
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Bitter Medicine - Cures what ails America
• [] 93% reduction in Federal Budget
• [] Ban enforcing contracts for usury in American courts
• [] Repatriation of all military personnel and material from foreign bases
• [] Collapse / Repeal of national socialism / Socialist InSecurity
• [] End the State of Emergency
• [] Simplify government to securing rights; adjudicating disputes; and little else
• [] No recipient of public funds can vote in any election for a period no less than two years from last disbursement (Beggars can’t be choosers)
• [] Provide legal recognition for private promissory notes as mediums of exchange, as dividends, and severely punish counterfeiters, etc., etc.
• [] No privilege of limited liability (i.e., investors, board members and officers of corporations, etc, are 100% liable) - eliminates the need for regulations and bureaucracy to administer and enforce.
That would exclude agribusiness and farming families. Are you sure about this?

Do you have anything for corporate leaders who hold their money overseas to avoid US taxes, or is that ok with you? Isn't that like stealing public monies?
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Old 11-30-2015, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Maybe the first thing to start with: Just stop thinking that the U.S. is number one or that the U.S. is so modern or so advanced. It is not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCdxLPHzeEk


....it's a modern airport, it must be America...


That's maybe the problem. To many Americans still think that the U.S. is so modern or advanced. Even Joe Biden thinks that the rest of the world still considers the U.S. as a modern (infrastructure wise) country. Many Americans still think that the world envy the U.S. because the U.S. is so advanced.

Do you have electricitiy in Europe? Yes we have, and without almost no black outs.

That maybe shows how some Americans still tick.


New York is the world financial capital and should be a very shiny city with a high standard of living. But it looks in many areas more like a city that is rotting away. It's seems to be much worse than in poor German cities in the Ruhr area or old industrial cities in Northern England. I guess that rents in New York are very high, why the landlords don't invest more of the revenues to revamp those buildings? It's not only the infrastructure that is falling in disrepair, also the majority of the residential buildings are getting more and more outdated. Normally there should be scaffolds on about every 50. house per year, so that after 50 years all buildings are revamped. But the amount of scaffolds in New York is very limited.

Americans are great in building something new, but once the buildings are finished, there are mostly no further improvements. Instead of revamping the existing buildings and facilities they often build new suburbs miles away from the city center. That leads to even more infrastructure that have to be maintained in the future.


...

The U.S. has plenty of ressources, very patriotic people and one of the biggest advantages, a rising population. It shouldn't be a problem to get the things on the right track.
I agree with you. Take Thailand -- almost a third world country. Fantastic Skytrain and great subway system, both slowly expanding. No shopping mall I've seen in the D.C., Orlando, or Colorado areas can compare with the biggest shopping mall of SE Asia in Bangkok. Not saying they don't have their problems, but we have some catching up to do in some areas.
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