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I am sure some of you are aware of the recent news in Baltimore, Maryland. If not, I posted a link above.
And I pose these questions to you:
Have riots ever been effective in changing policy?
Do you feel peaceful demonstrations are just as effective as rioting?
I ask these questions because I am unaware of anytime in U.S. history in which rioting has been effective, and I would like to ask others.
Unfortunately they are more effective than peace marches, by forcing the system to deal with events that create riots in a more conclusive way. It forces oversight more, and Criminal behavior by Police is less likely to be swept under the rug, or not dealt with, because they are aware that Confrontations will likely come next. Its sad that this happens, but people are frustrated and do not see results or Justice being served without Civil disobedience.
The Baltimore case is a prime example. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered. SOme one knows what happened to this man, and you hear nothing from the establishment, other than there is an investigation. WE all deserve to know what happened to the man that killed him. He did not severe his own spine.
I don't think people need to resort to violence, and I think Looters should be shot on the street. I also think Police have brought this Perception on themselves , covering for each other, and abusing their power.
History has shown that a civil war eventually brings change as soon as there is nothing left to burn or lose.
Fire proves to be a cleansing action as it erases all evidence of the objects that tormented the aggrieved souls and people believe that the seeds of a new age will rise up out of the ashes and become the new law of the land.
I'm sure that the people behind the agitators who are burning those neighborhoods are thinking of all the new jobs that will eventually be created when the rebuilding of the scorched earth policy takes place.
Hopefully, whoever takes on the rebuilding will use local talent or more bloody hell will prevail.
A perfect example of trickle down economics is taking place before your eyes as one day the 1% will invest their tax free money into regentrifying that area as Real Estate is too valuable to let sit and not generating income.
Unfortunately, the people who used to live there will be long gone when the new, peaceful, tenants move in.
There were numerous Vietnam marches and demonstrations. I cannot think of a Vietnam riot unless categorizing the 1969 Democrat Convention in Chicago as one. There was the Kent State U. shooting but that was not a riot. The marches and demonstrations helped force politcal change. So did the Media.
Yes, the rioting in the late 60's changed policy by encouraging people to move out of inner cities. Examples: government-backed mortgages, road construction, new school construction, etc.
But surely you don't believe that riots are the results of smart rational people meeting together, discussing, and democratically deciding to riot in the hopes of improving things?
Yes, as I posted in the other thread, riots do effect positive change.
The article is taking events from the past and making it sound like they were the reason for changes happening later, in some cases decades later.
For how many years were Watts, Hough, and Detroit still showing the effects of the riots? Is there any substantial improvement today in those areas.
Stonewall was the beginning but hardly a major factor in gay rights. Just a rallying cry, not much more than that. Don't believe me? How were gay rights 40, 30, 20 years ago?
The Chicago convention showed police brutality in a Northern city. It also elected Nixon on a law and order platform ( so who did the voters side with, not the rioters). Did nothing to end the war in Vietnam.
Riots have never made a change to the good. They put more people against them. For an example think if gays would riot, burn buildings, and injure police officers. How do you think the poll numbers in favor of gay marriage would change. The "for" numbers would drop like a rock. Their cause would fall back and not recover for decades if ever. Riots never pull people to their cause.
The article is taking events from the past and making it sound like they were the reason for changes happening later, in some cases decades later.
For how many years were Watts, Hough, and Detroit still showing the effects of the riots? Is there any substantial improvement today in those areas.
Stonewall was the beginning but hardly a major factor in gay rights. Just a rallying cry, not much more than that. Don't believe me? How were gay rights 40, 30, 20 years ago?
The Chicago convention showed police brutality in a Northern city. It also elected Nixon on a law and order platform ( so who did the voters side with, not the rioters). Did nothing to end the war in Vietnam.
Riots have never made a change to the good. They put more people against them. For an example think if gays would riot, burn buildings, and injure police officers. How do you think the poll numbers in favor of gay marriage would change. The "for" numbers would drop like a rock. Their cause would fall back and not recover for decades if ever. Riots never pull people to their cause.
So, you believe those events existed in a sealed vacuum?
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