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Old 09-06-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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The fact that someone needs a living does not mean that they are owed one. Nobody is owed a living.



People are responsible for themselves and their families. That fact is unaffected by the availability of jobs, or lack thereof.
What are you basing no one is owned a living on it seems to just be your opinion nothing else. It is affected when people need jobs and a enough higher paying jobs for them to and their families to live on. This whole social Darwin stuff you are talking about has never happened in this country. We have always been a community that looks out and helps others in the community.
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Old 09-07-2015, 02:35 AM
 
Location: South Texas
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What are you basing no one is owned a living on it seems to just be your opinion nothing else.
Your opinion that people should be provided with a living is just your opinion, nothing else.

You still haven't explained why one person's needs are the obligations of everybody except the person who actually has the need.
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Old 09-07-2015, 04:26 AM
 
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Bad idea. If they receive a raise then I better get a raise too. My hard earned hourly wage was attained through education and experience.
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Old 09-07-2015, 05:07 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Your opinion that people should be provided with a living is just your opinion, nothing else.

You still haven't explained why one person's needs are the obligations of everybody except the person who actually has the need.
So now you are just repeating things I say okay it is obvious you are not interested in having a real discussion. The reason is because we live in a society which means everyone looks out and helps others we are not just here to help ourselves. Some people can meet their needs other cannot for many reasons like bad upbringing, no money to get education, only smart enough to do basic work, can not find a job. It is easier to do what you do though just blame the person who is poor because that way you do not have to do anything to help.
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Old 09-07-2015, 06:14 AM
 
Location: South Texas
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So now you are just repeating things I say okay it is obvious you are not interested in having a real discussion. The reason is because we live in a society which means everyone looks out and helps others we are not just here to help ourselves. Some people can meet their needs other cannot for many reasons like bad upbringing, no money to get education, only smart enough to do basic work, can not find a job. It is easier to do what you do though just blame the person who is poor because that way you do not have to do anything to help.
You still refuse to address why you believe that the burden of providing for oneself should fall upon someone else.
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:24 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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You still refuse to address why you believe that the burden of providing for oneself should fall upon someone else.
I just gave the reason because we live in a society where we do what is best for people's interests and some people can only do basic jobs.
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Old 09-08-2015, 05:52 AM
 
Location: South Texas
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I just gave the reason because we live in a society where we do what is best for people's interests and some people can only do basic jobs.
Because we are a compassionate society, we provide for those who cannot provide for themselves. Often, this is because they are elderly, have a severe disability, or some other reason for which they are unable to adapt.

But you are advocating that we also provide for those who are already providing for themselves. Why shouldn't they live within their means like the rest of us?
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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People forget that the $15USD/hour minimum wage is down the road and only really for cities and not small town USA. My brother and others on my Facebook feed post about the idea of a $15USD/hour minimum wage as if it is an absolute. It isn't. It is only in cities. We also don't really see the offset come from other pay. Does an executive really needs $2 million+ a year? Probably not, they can easily dial it back to $1 million. Do 500k-1m upper-middle managers really need it? I doubt it. These are ruled as "what we have to play with."
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:21 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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Does an executive really needs $2 million+ a year? Probably not, they can easily dial it back to $1 million. Do 500k-1m upper-middle managers really need it?
We don't live in a Marxist society, thus, need is irrelevant in determining compensation. Relevant factors include skillset, accomplishments, negotiating ability, and availability of other suitable candidates.
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Old 09-08-2015, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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We don't live in a Marxist society, thus, need is irrelevant in determining compensation. Relevant factors include skillset, accomplishments, negotiating ability, and availability of other suitable candidates.
The executives pretty much set their own wage and then say well it's what we have to work with and don't even think of looking to tighten their belt first, it's always everyone else that works there.
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