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Why is everyone assuming all women have kids? There is pay inequity even among those women who have never had a child.
I'm curious, do you have a source/study for that? I've often heard that child raising accounts for the equality, but would love to read a study if you know of one.(Note: this is not a mod post, just curious) I think it would be really informative if I could find one.
I'm curious, do you have a source/study for that? I've often heard that child raising accounts for the equality, but would love to read a study if you know of one.(Note: this is not a mod post, just curious) I think it would be really informative if I could find one.
"The American Association of University Women’s research report, Graduating to a Pay Gap (link above), does just that.
The report controls for occupation, major, hours worked, parenthood, and many other factors to reveal that college-educated women working full time were paid an unexplained 7% less than their male counterparts were paid one year after graduation. To clarify, this analysis looks at men and women who have made the same educational and occupational choices and still finds a gap."
"The American Association of University Women’s research report, Graduating to a Pay Gap (link above), does just that.
The report controls for occupation, major, hours worked, parenthood, and many other factors to reveal that college-educated women working full time were paid an unexplained 7% less than their male counterparts were paid one year after graduation. To clarify, this analysis looks at men and women who have made the same educational and occupational choices and still finds a gap."
I read a similar study a while ago that quoted a 3-7% disparity, which is just large enough for statistical significance.
It's interesting to me, but we're still trying to paint with too broad a brush. Believe it or not, there are occupations out there where women do make more than men. I got used to seeing money and resources literally thrown at women all through high school and college to get them to become engineers. And guess who got the high-paying entry-level jobs at the most competitive companies right after graduating? Women are nearly universally favored in STEM fields, likely due to the lack of gender diversity that currently exists (and the excessive bandwagoning of social change that is today's American society).
I don't want to sound too salty about this since I knew plenty of high-performing women throughout schooling and my relatively young career, but if you pay attention the preference is abundantly and unabashedly clear.
So there may still be a gender wage gap, but it's far from universal.
This morning I was listening to NPR the Diane Remes show to get my dose of leftist ideas and she was interviewing a woman who was in the Gov. legistlature. I'm not sure what branch but she was talking about gender inequality in Gov.
She retold a story about how she wanted to introduce a new bill about "X" but she needed some help from the speaker and the guy she was talking to said that she better bring some knee pads........
Now anyone with a dirty mind goes right to you know what.....
But it is all about perspective.
What if the guy who said it wasn't inferring a sex act but instead was religious and thought that she was going to be praying pretty hard to make her bill pass.
What if he was a simple easy going non sexist guy who was saying that she needs the knee pads because she is going to be begging.
I wonder if perceived gender bias is blown out of proportion depending on who is doing the talking and how the message is perceived.
I read a similar study a while ago that quoted a 3-7% disparity, which is just large enough for statistical significance.
It's interesting to me, but we're still trying to paint with too broad a brush. Believe it or not, there are occupations out there where women do make more than men. I got used to seeing money and resources literally thrown at women all through high school and college to get them to become engineers. And guess who got the high-paying entry-level jobs at the most competitive companies right after graduating? Women are nearly universally favored in STEM fields, likely due to the lack of gender diversity that currently exists (and the excessive bandwagoning of social change that is today's American society).
I don't want to sound too salty about this since I knew plenty of high-performing women throughout schooling and my relatively young career, but if you pay attention the preference is abundantly and unabashedly clear.
So there may still be a gender wage gap, but it's far from universal.
My step-sister is an engineer. She also went to a damn good college and scored at the top of her class. You're right; she was heavily "recruited" out of grad school. In the 10 years after college, she worked for three different firms. She was treated horribly at each of them - patronizing comments, not taken seriously, sexually suggestive comments, being told that she was expected to make coffee because, "She's a girl." Seriously. That happened. She got so tired of the "boys club" mentality, she started her own engineering firm and has been quite successful. I don't know how much she was making relative to the men in those other firms, but even if it was the same, her treatment was hardly equal. And I don't think her story is that unusual.
And here's an excerpt:
"Half the scientists were given the application with a male name attached, and half were given the exact same application with a female name attached. Results found that the “female” applicants were rated significantly lower than the “males” in competence, hireability, and whether the scientist would be willing to mentor the student."
I just saw yet another rant of a hardcore feminist about how men are oppressing women.
Have I got news for you: dear girls, you're doing it to yourself. Let me explain how.
Let's start with fashion:
Hi Girls, my name is beachrr. I like women.
You don't seem to like that woman you met.. I don't think you like all kind of women, just your ideal and maybe those that are not causing harm for you.
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Some of my male friends like men. I'm okay with that. More women for me.
I like healthy women.
You cannot say who is healthy just by outlooks. Some people are very ill with several problems even they look healthy to strangers. You said you like women but you start to label...
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You know, who look like women look like. With breasts. And hips.
Unfortunately, you seem to think I like stick insects. With arms as thin as my fingers, flat bodies and no butt whatsoever.
You are wrong. The person who thinks you should look like that has a very big chance of being gay. Because the majority of fashion designing men are gay. And that's a fact.
So let me ask you a question, who do you think has a better understanding of how women should look like?
Right. So stop looking at beauty magazines, and start looking into the playboy. You'll feel a lot better about yourself.
From feminist view point it is not important is it "fashion" or playboy.. It is the fact that you should not label women.
Do you understand? That men around women has (and yes some heterosexual men desire anorexian, ortorexian etc. women) their "ideal and perfect" woman and they try to prove that is only right way to look a woman. Same with behaviour. Men always telling what is "feminine" and what is "areal woman"
Just stop. Every woman is a real woman no matter of her looks and behaviour, that is what she chooses to look, to be her style, born of her parents and got the genes what she got.. Someone liked her mothers type
Only person who should have a right or better view of her or himself is herself or himself. No, we have no rights to label what another human should look like, nor the whole gender. Rights belongs to a carrier of the tempel of this certain soul.
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Gender roles:
Hi Girls, my name is beachrr and I'm unable to give birth. I would like to, but I can't. My wife stayed home for a year after giving birth to each of our sons. Not because I asked her to, but because she wanted to. If he would have chosen to go back to work. I would have stopped working. It's just more convenient if the person who has the biological tools to do the job actually does it. You know, with newborn babies you take all the perks you can get. It's hard enough as it is.
I don't have daughters. I only have sons. But my brother only has daughters and there is a difference. I can let my teenage sons go out without being fearful of rapists. They are bigger and stronger than me and anyone thinking they might want to molest them is going to have a really bad time. On the other hand, my brother can't let his daughters go out by themselves. Because they are physically not as strong as their possible assailants.
That is a problem, and if I were to choose, I'd castrate every Moderator cut: language molester in the world. I admit that is a male flaw.
But there is an outside factor that means we, as fathers, have to treat our sons and daughters differently.
Indeed, women should have free choice. Some women love to be home moms and they love to clean their spouses dirt and feed him like a baby.. It is all allowed as long as she does it for free will and enjoys it. Problem it is only if she is raised to do it even she would not want it or forced/manipulated by her spouse. Also if a woman would not want to take care of a baby she should not make one at first place.
But men are able to participate by many ways during pregnancy, labor and baby care.
Castrating is a good choice
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Glass ceiling:
Hi my name is Beachrr, and my wife chose to stop working at some point.
Because she wanted to. And because the money I was making was enough for all of us. And because she preferred to be at home and enjoy the garden in the summer and doing some renovation work in the winter (yup, she was strong as an ox).
Did I want her to stop. No. She chose it by herself.
So how is the position of women all my fault?
I am sure there is something when you fail at thinking womans side, only then it is your fault. In your personal communication, choices and meetings.
Maybe not taking this radical woman too much into a heart.
But saying what you say in this thread.. I think he target rightly.. Because women are not doing this forthemselves. It has long roots in history and one feminist step at the time women are getting more free choices and equality.
I won't get into the fashion discussion. I'll just say that fashion has its trends up and down.
On the baby and staying at home issue - people should be encouraged, both women and men to take off time from work for parental leave. If the working world had any sense of societal responsibility - it would encourage that regardless of gender. It's in businesses interests too. Healthy and well-adjusted children are lifelong consumers.
In terms of safety, men can get raped too. I would agree with another poster that we should be teaching both men and women not to be violent. Obviously we are failing at that quite badly - we're actually teaching the opposite - that people should carry arms at all times so we can use violence against the inevitable violence we'll encounter.
Glass ceiling - there should not be such a thing. As I said before, parental leave should be encouraged and if your resume has a 2 year gap that says "raising family" that should not count against you if you are a man or a woman.
Maybe it's just me - but this past year I've felt really mentally exhausted with work and wish I could take care of things around the house more. I'm tired of working so hard - the work just keeps piling up, never-ending. This "live to work" mentality that we have in the U.S. is tiring. I would be happy if my wife started making more and I could cut back to part-time at work, but she doesn't have the same earning power I do (yet), but she should.
Anyone who thinks there's not a "boys club" at a large number of workplaces has their eyes closed. There is one at my workplace and I am admittedly a beneficiary of it. More often than not, the charismatic male interviewee gets our jobs even when he is less qualified than a female competitor. I had to argue like hell the last time I was involved in a hiring decision that the woman candidate was more qualified because others did not know the field and they had this ingrained bias that he gave a better presentation by virtue of being a man while ignoring the actual credentials.
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