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Old 06-16-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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I don't agree. I think that nude or explicit sexual images of young people should be discouraged in the strongest possible terms.

It's not about a boyfriend who is trusted and loved having an image of his girlfriend, it's about the fact that the person who authorized that image, isn't mature enough to really get the gravity of the potential consequences of its existence. The likelihood of him sharing it with others, or even having his phone stolen or hacked and the image taken without his ok, and that picture could go anywhere. Did she consent to an entire high school seeing her nude? Did she consent to it getting out permanently onto the internet? Once it's out, it's out.

Now this wouldn't be such a big deal, except that our stupid Puritanical culture holds nude images and sexuality to be dirty, filthy, worth snickering and judging people over. So the real life, real world consequences? She could be denied jobs. Wanted to be a schoolteacher one day? Forget it! Men who have seen it, out in the world, might think they can stalk her, harass her or violate her space or her person. The bigger piece of the problem is that we do live in a society that, while it wants women to be sexual, also wants to see us punished and suffering for it.

Don't believe me?

I saw an article on Facebook not long ago about an MMA fighter who broke into his ex girlfriend's apartment and beat her to within an inch of her life. She will be permanently disabled and disfigured now. He almost blinded her for life, with the damage he did to her face. He then raped her. He did get a severe sentence, thankfully, mostly because of the brutality of the assault. The comments on this news story, among the first few, was a man asking, "Isn't she a famous porn star?" The answer was, yes. She was. (So, her livelihood is now ruined, on top of everything.) The rest of the comments were HUNDREDS of men and women, mostly men, saying it was her fault for being what she was and that she probably drove him nuts, and his sentence was too severe, etc.

Once it was known that she had shown her sexuality and body to the world, she was less than garbage to these people. No one cared. But I bet all of the men in those comments, love to watch porn, though.

I think that such content should be illegal as heck for anyone under 25 to produce. You can't trust anybody with it, especially not American society. You had better have a mind capable of really understanding what you're doing, fully developed frontal lobes, before you do such a thing. Unless one day our culture gets to be far more sex positive than it is.
Child porn charges will ruin their life just as much as a picture leaking will. In Saudi Arabia, they execute women for putting themselves in situations where they're likely to get raped and their justification is that women need to be discouraged from putting themselves in situations where they will get raped. I wonder how you would feel about jailing pregnant teenagers in order to discourage teen pregnancy. You know what reinforces puritanical norms? Laws. The harsher the laws, the greater the stigma becomes and the more puritanical people's views become.

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Old 06-16-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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The point of having a minimum age of consent is not to establish a "one size fits all" law, but, to protect children from sick sexual predators. If society doesn't draw that line, the sicko's certainly won't -- (for example, NAMBLA)
 
Old 06-16-2017, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Child porn charges will ruin their life just as much as a picture leaking will. In Saudi Arabia, they execute women for putting themselves in situations where they're likely to get raped and their justification is that women need to be discouraged from putting themselves in situations where they will get raped. I wonder how you would feel about jailing pregnant teenagers in order to discourage teen pregnancy. You know what reinforces puritanical norms? Laws. The harsher the laws, the greater the stigma becomes and the more puritanical people's views become.
**I confess that I had moments ago, an off the cuff remark right here that was stupid, I rethought it, and I wish to remove it via edit, which I am doing now, something about decriminalizing rape, which...doesn't even make sense. This is me pulling my foot out of my mouth. Apologies.**

When my son got his first handheld device that included a camera, which was a Nintendo DS type game system (can't remember which one) he was probably 7 or 8. I discovered at some point that he had taken photos of his um...personal undercarriage, as it were...which I assume was a matter of explorative curiosity on the part of a child, to see his own body from a different angle.

I had to have a conversation with him about that, and explain that it is against the law for anyone to have pictures of the private parts like that, of anyone who is under 18 years old. That he must never, ever take them, and we had to delete them all immediately, and to never ask anyone else to take them or send them, and if any other child tried to show him such pictures, not to look at them. The law exists to protect kids, but it could cause anyone to get in trouble. Use a mirror instead if he needs to see his body from another angle that way.

I would think that for minors in cases that are relatively mild, some kind of counseling and a program designed to teach and correct, rather than to penalize, would make sense.

I also think that sex offender registries should only be used in cases where victimization or exploitation is CLEARLY part of the picture. Not as broadly by far as we use them now.

The entire point is to try to prevent young people from doing things that are destructive to their lives, there have got to be ways that make sense to do that. And just giving the go-ahead for teenagers to pass around porn of one another in a peer community, because hey, they're close in age after all...

So tell me what happens if a teacher confiscates a cell phone, or even a parent? Happens all the time. Now THEY are in possession of child porn.
 
Old 06-17-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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Age of consent should be the age when a person can support whatever child might happen because of the sex.

For some, the age would be never.
 
Old 06-17-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Give me a break. It is the most rational way to approach this discussion. Driving can kill other people that aren't involved. Sex itself cannot. For what it's worth I think brothels should absolutely be legal. I'm sick and tired of the government legislating morality.

Oh an by the way the age of consent in most of Europe is around 14 or 15, like what I said.
There are still stipulations around age of partner. An age of consent of 14 would be with a partner near her age, not an adult. Almost all countries make it illegal to offer payment to minors for sex, btw. I do agree brothels should be legal though.
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