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It's not the first time our health system picked on minorities. Remember the Tuskegee study that they did to black men? Some of the black community still don't really trust the recommendation of the government.
We don't have a good track record and discrimination is a part of our controlled business environment. We see it daily in the news.
What if you need to work, but don't agree with a vaccination? It's terribly unfair for those who are poor and those who have to work during the day, everyday to feed their kids. They can't afford to homeschool, therefore it's as if they get no choice. Unless the government is going to start subsidizing homeschool because they've kick kids out of school. If not, poor single parents will have no choice, none at all. They will be forced to make a decision between their kids health and a public education.
Some don't have an education themselves that would suffice to homeschool in CA as you have to have and education in a school related field of study to homeschool here. Do those kids just stay home illegally out of school? This will be a mess.
The tutor or other person shall hold a valid state credential for the grade taught in CA. You can only qualify as a parent is you have this. If not you have to join a group. If there isn't enough to join or you don't have the funds to participate because you work then you are out of luck. I don't know how this will work out.
Those for mandates don't have many answers and so yes, these people will be under threats and that is un ethical. It's especially discriminatory to the poor.
Students who exercise their 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms are not allowed to attend school with those arms. Students whose arms don't have vaccination needle marks are equally not allowed to attend school with those arms. How are those two types of arms different? Both are perceived as threats to public safety. Both have rights which are infringed on. Do people who support one support the other? Or is this not really about rights, but about personal beliefs, and getting those beliefs enforced in schools?
you are forcing a parent to go against their personal belief and it's no longer informed consent but coerced consent.
Quarantine is part of the whole purpose of government. It always has been. Whoever has the power to force certain people to be isolated from other people, whoever has that power, is the government, almost by definition.
Without the need for coercion, there would be no need for government. What other possible purpose could government serve, than coercion?. Therefore, arguing against any kind of vaccination laws or rules, is an argument against the need for government.
Students who exercise their 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms are not allowed to attend school with those arms. Students whose arms don't have vaccination needle marks are equally not allowed to attend school with those arms. How are those two types of arms different? Both are perceived as threats to public safety. Both have rights which are infringed on. Do people who support one support the other? Or is this not really about rights, but about personal beliefs, and getting those beliefs enforced in schools?
There is more to discriminatory behavior than you may realize. If a person holds a personal belief that he should only eat non-animal foods (vegan) a restaurant cannot refuse to serve that person if they offer vegan items no matter how much they may want to refuse service for whatever reason.
Using the vegan as an example, there are animal products used in the development of and contained in some (if not all) vaccines. A vegan's personal belief is a valid reason to refuse vaccines for themselves and their children. If they are excluded from school then isn't it the same as excluding them for being vegan? Wouldn't you say that is discrimination?
There was a time when children who weren't vaccinated would get smallpox, and/or other deadly diseases, and die from them, after infecting a lot of other children with them. Vaccination has a history of being a very serious business. Our present policies are partly derived from that history.
Quarantine is part of the whole purpose of government. It always has been. Whoever has the power to force certain people to be isolated from other people, whoever has that power, is the government, almost by definition.
Without the need for coercion, there would be no need for government. What other possible purpose could government serve, than coercion?. Therefore, arguing against any kind of vaccination laws or rules, is an argument against the need for government.
I don't think quarantine is a bad idea. In fact, quarantine was the most effective way to prevent these diseases we now vaccinate for from spreading. However, an unvaccinated person is not infected with the disease until they are. Is it right to quarantine a healthy person in case they contract it? How would they contract the disease if they are quarantined without exposure as a possibility.
I also don't think coercion is inappropriate in some situations. However, vaccination is not the same as other things. It is a medical procedure and an invasive one at that. Is it the government's job to tell a person what medical treatments they must undergo? Isn't that something we don't want or need as citizens?
Telling parents of unvaccinated children that they must attend a different school than vaccinated children is segregation and, in my opinion, discrimination. Unvaccinated children are not "dirty" just as blacks were not "dirty" during the years they were segregated.
Of course it is discrimination/segregation. When a child is barred from both public and private schools because of health status (vaccinations), that is segregation. You might just as well be putting all the unvaccinated in Ghettos. This is what is being done by back door legislation.
"In 1968 the U.S. Department of Education, formerly the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, issued a statement saying that school officials are responsible for providing equal educational opportunities for all, regardless of one’s nationality, race, or color.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE]"
"Non-vaccinated people" is not a protected class under the law. As long as the government provides equal opportunity for children to get the required vaccines, (free or very cheap and publicly available at a pharmacy), then they can require that the children be vaccinated before physically arriving at the school. It's a health issue. They can require that kids with fevers or vomiting be sent home, same thing as kids who are unvaccinated (without a valid health or religious reason).
I can tell you for a fact that no adult staff member in a K-12 public school is mandated to be vaccinated for anything. NONE. There is a TB skin test given, and an OFFER of Hep. B, which a staff member can, and do, refuse. Both the Teacher's Union and OSHA are on board with employees having the right to refuse, or mandating vaccinations on adults. Look it up. Children cannot go on strike, but adult employees most certainly can. Hey, you can have 100% vaccinated children, but if there are no adult teachers or staff, there will be NO SCHOOL.
Are you going to check every single child(those too young to be in school) or adult who comes to a school to make sure they are all up to date on vaccinations? Have you ever been to an assembly, school sports game, bake sale, graduation? Who ARE all these people? Vaccination papers, please????
In most schools there are parent, family, and retired people who volunteer to tutor the kids. Are they all fully up to date on vaccinations too? It is not asked, let alone mandated.
There is no proof that mandates will prevent children who don't vaccinate from going to Disneyland, yet that is the basis for the mandates and yes, they are discriminating. This bill and it's claims that the unvaccinated caused the outbreak are unfounded. They are simply using propaganda to discriminate against a small minority in the state and preventing them from attaining a publicly funded education in which they are a part of and support financially. The government of CA was heavily lobbied and paid the years preceding this mandate.
In our state it is illegal to keep any group, including illegal immigrants, from a public education. Now it's allowable to refuse a child who is missing even one vaccine from the schedule. This is discriminatory. Discrimination wrapped in the blanket of protecting the public makes no difference. It wasn't right when we discriminated against Japanese after Pearl Harbor, it isn't right regarding Muslims in the current terrorist climate and it isn't right regarding those who lack a vaccine under the government advised schedule. It won't make a dent in protecting others from disease that immigrants can easily bring into our country via tourism. People who homeschool still have the right to leave their homes, and frequent businesses and theme parks. I believe it's only yet another profit driven big business decision and mandates serve as an incentive, not as a public health miracle.
Mandates are discriminatory. If there was a profit for taking fat kids from their parents, we'd be promoting that with propaganda. I can't believe after all this time we aren't aware when the propaganda starts. Hopefully transparency will win in the end.
Vaccines are promising, but to discriminate those who don't agree that all of them are good for their health is ridiculous.
Disney, private for profit business, did not mandate vaccinations for their own employees. Disney did not institute policy that every visitor to their park show vaccinations papers for admittance. Unvaccinated children/adults from any state or country in the world can still visit Disney. Vaccinating 100% of California's childhood population would have stopped that Measles outbreak? Of course not.
Maybe California needs to build a wall around it's borders. Nobody gets into the state unless they show their vaccination papers? That most definitely would be against the law.
Edit: Last year I saw people walking around with stickers saying, "I got my FLU SHOT today". Is that next? Skull and Cross Bone patches for the unvaccinated so the sheep can know who they are and shun others?
Disney, private for profit business, did not mandate vaccinations for their own employees. Disney did not institute policy that every visitor to their park show vaccinations papers for admittance. Unvaccinated children/adults from any state or country in the world can still visit Disney. Vaccinating 100% of California's childhood population would have stopped that Measles outbreak? Of course not.
Maybe California needs to build a wall around it's borders. Nobody gets into the state unless they show their vaccination papers? That most definitely would be against the law.
Edit: Last year I saw people walking around with stickers saying, "I got my FLU SHOT today". Is that next? Skull and Cross Bone patches for the unvaccinated so the sheep can know who they are and shun others?
You bring up a good point. If you look at these mandates and insert anything else that is medically invasive, people would be protesting immediately.
Patches and papers needing to be shown to leave your house... sounds like Nazi moves.
This is why it really screams discrimination. It starts as limiting movement of the "unvaccinated quacks" then patches/papers then what? concentration camps until you agree to vaccinate?
If we at least try, as a society, to treat ALL people equally then we should be able to tell what is or isn't discrimination before we lose all the progress of the last century.
The thing about this debate topic is that it isn't split between pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine but there are many pro-vaccine parents that feel the government is overreaching and also school officials that don't want to have to police this.
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Hey, you can have 100% vaccinated children, but if there are no adult teachers or staff, there will be NO SCHOOL.
