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Old 11-16-2015, 04:08 PM
 
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Catwoman said: "A mother has to struggle to provide health care, food, shelter, etc."

No, that's only mothers who CHOSE to get knocked up while single and/or poor. My mother didn't have to "struggle", nor did any other of the MARRIED mothers of friends I had growing up. None of the mothers of my college classmates had to "struggle" because again, they were MARRIED and waited till they could afford a baby. The only "struggling" mothers I know now of - they are not friends as we come from different cultures - are those who CHOSE unmarried pregnancy. And they're taking money out of my pocket.

Why are you trying to paint all mothers as destitute fools? Please stop it.
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Old 11-16-2015, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Telecommutes from Northern AZ
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No, I do not support abortion being illegal. Why? Because women are going to have them whether they're legal or not, and it's better that they are safe, legal and affordable. Because if you don't believe in abortion and you believe it is murder, that's your right. No one is forcing you to have one, but your religious beliefs should not be forced on others. Because every child should be a child who is wanted. Because my mother nearly died from an illegal abortion in 1934, and if she hadn't survived it I wouldn't be here.
And the human being who's life was cut short has no voice...

And let's use this rational for everything. There is going to be murders to let's make them safe. There is going to be crime so let's make it so criminals can rob and do it while they are safe, legal, and carry out the act in affordable way.

It all boils down to is this fetus a human being or not?

Scientifically it is a human being in development.
Spiritual it is a soul.
Ethically it is a person in construction.

Why is it so hard for people to grasp this? You think the women who have abortions walk away Scott free? They don't. It haunts them in various ways forever. Abortion creates at least three victims, the Father, the Mother, and the child. I understand that there are less than desirable circumstances that happen when a child is about to be born, but at least give the child a chance to over come those challenges rather than killing it before it is born.

And I was conceived out of wedlock and perhaps if abortion was as socially acceptable today rather than then I may not be here, to counteract the above story. Some of you may say that is a good thing....
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:27 PM
 
Location: East Coast
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And the human being who's life was cut short has no voice...

And let's use this rational for everything. There is going to be murders to let's make them safe. There is going to be crime so let's make it so criminals can rob and do it while they are safe, legal, and carry out the act in affordable way.

It all boils down to is this fetus a human being or not?

Scientifically it is a human being in development.
Spiritual it is a soul.
Ethically it is a person in construction.

Why is it so hard for people to grasp this? You think the women who have abortions walk away Scott free? They don't. It haunts them in various ways forever. Abortion creates at least three victims, the Father, the Mother, and the child. I understand that there are less than desirable circumstances that happen when a child is about to be born, but at least give the child a chance to over come those challenges rather than killing it before it is born.

And I was conceived out of wedlock and perhaps if abortion was as socially acceptable today rather than then I may not be here, to counteract the above story. Some of you may say that is a good thing....

this is all hypothetical other then *Scientifically it is a human being in development.
None of your business, its not your fetus.
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Old 11-16-2015, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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And the human being who's life was cut short has no voice...

And let's use this rational for everything. There is going to be murders to let's make them safe. There is going to be crime so let's make it so criminals can rob and do it while they are safe, legal, and carry out the act in affordable way.

It all boils down to is this fetus a human being or not?

Scientifically it is a human being in development.
Spiritual it is a soul.
Ethically it is a person in construction.

Why is it so hard for people to grasp this? You think the women who have abortions walk away Scott free? They don't. It haunts them in various ways forever. Abortion creates at least three victims, the Father, the Mother, and the child. I understand that there are less than desirable circumstances that happen when a child is about to be born, but at least give the child a chance to over come those challenges rather than killing it before it is born.

And I was conceived out of wedlock and perhaps if abortion was as socially acceptable today rather than then I may not be here, to counteract the above story. Some of you may say that is a good thing....
Please ask a fetus how it feels about possibly being aborted. Let me know what it says.

A fetus is NOT a person. Just because it will one day be a human doesn't make it one. A caterpillar will one day be a butterfly, it is a butterfly in development, but it is NOT a butterfly.

No, spiritually it is not a soul. The Bible is very specific about this. A person is not alive and does not have a soul until he/she takes a breath. That is God breathing life into them and THAT is when the soul enters the body. It leaves with their last breath.

The third statement is the same as your first.

As I stated earlier, 90% of women do not regret having an abortion, they do not carry grief or ill feelings with them afterwards. The few that do had mental illnesses such as depression prior to their abortion.

If you were aborted, you would have no idea that it happened or that your fetal self ever existed, so that's a pointless statement.
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:21 PM
 
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Yes, let's make abortion illegal or let's force women to jump through hoops designed to string them along til the pregnancy is too far advanced to abort. And then we can go back to quacks with coat hangers and herbs. Because the sanctity of life is restricted to the fetus and if the evil **** who couldn't keep her legs closed dies, well, that'll teach her!
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:24 PM
 
Location: california
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Please ask a fetus how it feels about possibly being aborted. Let me know what it says.

A fetus is NOT a person. Just because it will one day be a human doesn't make it one. A caterpillar will one day be a butterfly, it is a butterfly in development, but it is NOT a butterfly.

No, spiritually it is not a soul. The Bible is very specific about this. A person is not alive and does not have a soul until he/she takes a breath. That is God breathing life into them and THAT is when the soul enters the body. It leaves with their last breath.

The third statement is the same as your first.

As I stated earlier, 90% of women do not regret having an abortion, they do not carry grief or ill feelings with them afterwards. The few that do had mental illnesses such as depression prior to their abortion.

If you were aborted, you would have no idea that it happened or that your fetal self ever existed, so that's a pointless statement.



You'd best show scriptures that support that statement, because I don't know if any.
Fact is, there are scriptures the support life and value to God before birth .
Matthew 1;18 Jesus birth
Luke 1;1,- 41,-44, John the Baptist's birth

Jeramiah 1;5 Jeramiah's birth
Judges 13; Samson's birth
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Catwoman said: "A mother has to struggle to provide health care, food, shelter, etc."

No, that's only mothers who CHOSE to get knocked up while single and/or poor. My mother didn't have to "struggle", nor did any other of the MARRIED mothers of friends I had growing up. None of the mothers of my college classmates had to "struggle" because again, they were MARRIED and waited till they could afford a baby. The only "struggling" mothers I know now of - they are not friends as we come from different cultures - are those who CHOSE unmarried pregnancy. And they're taking money out of my pocket.

Why are you trying to paint all mothers as destitute fools? Please stop it.
Yes, because women, especially poor women go around begging men to impregnate them .

Maybe if those baby daddies stuck around, they wouldn't need to "take money from your pocket." The men say they'll be there, but a lot of them end up leaving, so now the woman is stuck alone with a child to feed. Maybe we should just let them all starve!
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:10 PM
 
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I'm a Republican and I do not believe that abortion should be illegal. As a male I look at it from a perspective that I can never get pregnant and will never have any idea on what it is like to have a baby. No I do not like abortion at all and actually find it disgusting though I do not believe banning abortion entirely would have a positive effect on society. If we banned abortion our population would explode, women who become pregnant would have to result to having an abortion in an unregulated environment and many women who do get pregnant cannot afford to keep and take care of a baby forcing them to place there baby in foster care. I do plan on running for state office though when the issue of abortion comes up I would plan on abstaining from a vote since I believe that as a male I do not have a right to regulate a women's body.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:16 PM
 
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What is so great about life that makes abortions bad? The baby never asked to live. Many of us would say that if given the choice of never have been born, we would choose to that. If the mother was considered an abortion, she does not fully want the baby or is not able to take care of it. That baby would be unloved and miserable

This thread makes me feel like i live in the 1950s.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Why don't we try replacing abortion with personal responsibility and maybe the respect for life would minimize some of the other indifference to ending the lives of others?

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Could you give me a date when that will start?
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