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Old 03-21-2016, 04:22 AM
 
Location: USA
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In the last couple of years there have been state laws passed which have put more burden on doctors who preform abortion, and in some states the requirements are so high that clinics have closed down. Some states make the woman see an ultrasound of the fetus. Do you support Abortion being legal or not and why.
i don't support it. because this is illegal things.every people should understand about life if you are not ready for pregnancy then you don't have any right for abortion.
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Old 03-21-2016, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Not all women who want to get abortions will actually get abortions if abortion will be made illegal, though.

Women of means will still get safe abortions, just like they did in the days before Roe v Wade.


Poor women? They will either have an unsafe, backstreet abortion or have the child and go on public assistance, a few will put the child up for adoption.


Do you think it is right that only women of means have access to safe abortions?
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Old 03-21-2016, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Frankly, while I'm pro-choice, I find this argument to be unconvincing. After all, would I no longer be alive if my kidneys will give out and I will have to be on dialysis in order to survive?
Thousands of people die waiting for a donated organ that never comes.


We don't even force DEAD PEOPLE to allow others to use a part of their body against their will, yet, some people think it is OK to force a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will, a pregnancy that could compromise her health or even kill her. Does that make any sense at all?


Infants die for lack of organ donation, yet, we don't force the parents of dead infants to donate their infant's organs.


Funny, but really not so funny, that some honor the wishes of the dead over the lives of the living.
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Old 03-21-2016, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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By that logic, though, why not legalize painless elective infanticide?
You cannot compare a nonviable fetus to an infant.


Apples/oranges.
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Old 03-21-2016, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Isn't that speceisist, though?

I am not against aborting human, dog or cat fetuses.


I am against killing infants, puppies or kittens.

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Old 03-21-2016, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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So, are you against having a draft in all cases, Annie?

Funny, the draft ended the same time as Roe v Wade became law.


Yes, I am against the draft.....something that is unlikely to ever be needed again due to the massively reduced need of soldiers on the ground due to technology.


However, just as abortion has exceptions, so should having a draft.
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Old 03-21-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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i don't support it. because this is illegal things.every people should understand about life if you are not ready for pregnancy then you don't have any right for abortion.

Now in English this time.
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Old 03-21-2016, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Why is it only the woman that gets to opt out of parenthood post sex, but a man cannot? How is that reasonable? What if the woman lies or changes her mind? Should she be forced to have an abortion? In what way is infanticide ethically different from abortion (consider one day before the baby is born to one day after the baby is born)?



Keeping rape illegal will not make it go away so we should make it legal and safer, right?


Well, let's start with the biological fact that an infant and an embryo/fetus are not the same thing and go from there? Or did you miss that class?

A 10-week-old fetus can be safely and easily aborted by taking a pill for crying out loud. It can be miscarried by simply OD'ing on vitamin C. A 7-month old fetus... not so much. There is nothing safe or easy about such an extraction.

If you prefer, you can simply think of abortion as choosing to give birth, just at the 2-month mark instead of the 9-month mark

You're welcome to take the 2-month old "baby" and adopt it, if you like? I'm sure that won't be an issue at all since, you know, it's a baby and all, per your logic.
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Old 03-21-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Why is it only the woman that gets to opt out of parenthood post sex, but a man cannot? How is that reasonable? What if the woman lies or changes her mind? Should she be forced to have an abortion? In what way is infanticide ethically different from abortion (consider one day before the baby is born to one day after the baby is born)?
It is the woman who must bear the physical risks of the pregnancy. She gets to decide whether she accepts that or not. Any man who would object to abortion or who would demand that his partner have one should only have sex with a like minded partner.

We already regulate the timing in pregnancy in which abortion may be done. Third trimester abortion is not common and never done for convenience, so your question about infanticide is moot.

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Keeping rape illegal will not make it go away so we should make it legal and safer, right?
Yes.
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Old 03-21-2016, 11:47 AM
 
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Why is it only the woman that gets to opt out of parenthood post sex, but a man cannot? How is that reasonable? What if the woman lies or changes her mind? Should she be forced to have an abortion? In what way is infanticide ethically different from abortion (consider one day before the baby is born to one day after the baby is born)?
Your statement is a bit off. At this point she is opting out of pregnancy not parenthood. A man is not pregnant so....there's that. Once birth takes place that is when the parenting part starts. Women can opt out by putting the child up for adoption which by default lets the man off the hook. If she decides to keep the child she is parenting. The man can opt out of parenting just not the financial responsibility.

Abortions are not done one day before the baby is born. They are generally done within the first trimester 12 weeks, 21 weeks for late term and this is only done in the event the mother will die or the child has severe birth defects. One is a viable infant, one is not.


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Keeping rape illegal will not make it go away so we should make it legal and safer, right?
Seriously your comparing a crime (illegal act) with a legal medical procedure.
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