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Old 12-08-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by G0DDESS View Post
Easy solution: make them much, much HARDER to get a hold of.

* Ban all automatics.
* Ban all assault style guns.
* Single bullet shotguns only allowed. NO automatics or other types of guns can be purchased any longer.
* Gun owners only allowed to purchase 10 bullets per year.

Only allow hunters/etc/whoever passes a very thorough background check to have a singe caliber shot gun. Only allow any given person to buy/own possess 10 or less bullets. NEVER more. Every bullet will be legally accountable for.

It won't take away gun ownership totally or violate the Amendments -and 10 bullets is more than enough to protect yourself- but by enforcing VERY strict laws, at lease it would make it easier to prevent mass attacks. If you can only fire one bullet at a time before you have to stop and unload = it gives good people time defend themselves as well, and knock you out before you make it as far as shooting anyone else.
What about those who use their guns for target practice at an indoor or outdoor shooting range? I would not even be worth driving to one of those places if you can only fire 10 bullets!

Or what about the victim of a home-invasion crime? 3 guys break into his home and the homeowner is defending himself. 10 bullets can be gone very fast.
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Old 12-08-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I totally agree with you, except I would substitute the word "liberals" with "right-wingers".
We've been overtaken by right-wingers? When did that happen?
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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we've been overtaken by right-wingers? When did that happen?
1776.
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:39 PM
 
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I want the President to explain to me how I am able to purchase gun over the internet, yet I cannot buy cigarets from the internet, even though i am a non smoker.
he stopped tobacco from being bought thru the net, yet guns we can get.



Im scratching my head on this???
You cannot simply buy a gun over the internet and have it show up at your front door. It has to be shipped to a gun dealer. It's no different than buying it at the gun store.

The only exception here would be if you met the seller face to face and then whatever state laws there are apply. Web sites, the government or anyone else cannot stop this type of sale.
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:48 PM
 
Location: plano
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A terrorist attack was stopped by an off duty traffic cop serving as a contract guard for a convention. The cop was armed with a pistol and was outgunned by the two terrorists who were approaching the convention building arms at the ready when he shot and killed them. Guns do save lives. It didn't make big Headlines as it was thwarted.

Don't mess with texas.
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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VITAL TO DISARM
You can never have an efficient totalitarian police state, when it has to be “benevolent†and fearful of millions of armed citizens. And you can’t disarm millions of armed citizens when they won’t tell you where the arms are. And you can’t arrest them until you criminalize their disobedience to “reasonable†gun restrictions and “common sense†registration. And you can’t tolerate their belief that they have an “endowed right†to self defense against tyranny, that supersedes your political power of the bigger gun.
An Armed Populace Fears No Government.
A Disarmed Populace Fears All Government.
MAO was right.
Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns. All things grow out of the barrel of a gun. According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic. Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the laboring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.
- - - Mao Zedong (Mao Tse-tung) Mao's concluding speech at the Sixth Plenary Session of the Sixth Central Committee of the Party.

“We are advocates of the abolition of war.â€
For once all guns are ours to command, no one dare oppose “us.â€
Shut up, Sit Down, and OBEY, SLAVE.
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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1776.
Unfortunately, the leftists have overrun my state.
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Old 12-08-2015, 10:18 PM
 
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This latest incident occurred in California which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. There is an estimated 300 too 400 million guns in the hands of private citizens. Short of an outright ban that would take many decades to take affect there is not much you can do to stop an incident like this. There is absolutely no correlation between states gun laws and gun related deaths. States with the highest rate of gun ownership tend to have the least murders by gun but there are exceptions like Louisiana. A state like California with very strict gun laws is very similar in both ownership and death rates as Pennsylvanian but has some of the loosest gun control laws. It's all over the place.

In Chicago it's very expensive to obtain a weapon, the areas with the lowest rates of legal gun ownership have the highest rates of violent crime. While that itself is not the only reason one has to wonder if the people in these areas could more easily legally own guns and shoot back if that statistic would change.

Where I live there is about 90% gun ownership. It will take me longer to drive to the gun store than to make the purchase. Open carry is legal but rare, a concealed carry permit is easy to obtain, gun shots are not uncommon and I can even purchase a fully automatic gun. Despite that we have no gun violence and crime is minimal, while the people that live here are the primary reason for that the distinct possibility of getting shot is something the criminal type is going to consider.


Felons cannot legally purchase firearms.


There is absolutely no evidence that waiting periods do anything other than possibly cause deaths because someone was waiting to buy a gun to protect themselves.

You are trying to play the world's largest game of whack a mole.

As if someone with the intent to kill is going to care about an open carry law?

As far "assault weapons" go other than fully automatic capability if you can explain to me the fundamental difference between a M-14 and a semi automatic .308 hunting rifle I'm listening.

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The genie is out of the bottle so to speak, you can't put it back in. New gun laws will only serve to prevent law abiding citizens from obtaining them.
I was going to answer, but you did a great job.

I'll only add that if you take away guns they will use knives. Take away the knives they will use screw drivers or ice picks. Take away........ and they will use ........

You cant argue with anti-gun bleeding heart libs that live in Lala Land!
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Manhattan, NYC
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I was going to answer, but you did a great job.

I'll only add that if you take away guns they will use knives. Take away the knives they will use screw drivers or ice picks. Take away........ and they will use ........

You cant argue with anti-gun bleeding heart libs that live in Lala Land!
Totally agree with you, if you take away guns, they will take knives. But isn't that better at least? You have better chances to survives knives attack compared to a gun shot. And there is no way a single guy can kill as many people with a knife as opposed to carrying a semi-automatic. Maybe he can kill one or two persons, but certainly not dozens, which is the point.

I fully agree with all the "people kill" theory but it doesn't hurt to limit their ability to hurt as well, just in case.
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Because cigarettes are not a right.
That, too!

About ten years ago, I was in a class on special police units (or it may have been a few years earlier about police personnel) and one lesson was, what prerequisites do you require for this or that unit such as snipers. One of my suggestions was that they not be smokers, which I based on my reading of Viet Nam War history of the measures they would take to not have "civilized" odors to give away their location in the field.

When that was read to the class where many of my classmates were cops, it did cause a little bit of a furor. The thing is, even if my practicality was tossed aside, being a smoker is not a protected class against discrimination (if such would apply inside a department which it might not, but putting that aside here).

Protected classes are as listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

So between guns being a right (and regulated under laws for their buying) and smokers not being a protected class against discrimination, one is rather talking apples and oranges.
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