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6 weeks is NOT a long enough time for many women to do all these things:
1. reasonably find out they are pregnant - not all women are "like clockwork" and realize they might be pregnant after being late a couple days
2. get in to see a doctor to verify the pregnancy, especially if they don't have a regular doctor or ob/gyn already
3. to find a doctor / clinic willing to perform the procedure
4. to get the money together if they don't already have the savings.
And pro lifers deliberately create waiting periods so that women have to wait longer to get the abortion.
You can't and it is hypocritical. Being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy even can be extremely emotionally and mentally damaging even if the conception wasn't.
There should be no legal limits, and 6 weeks in asinine. Most women do not even know they are pregnant until 5-6 weeks. A few days is not nearly enough time to make any kind of decision. 92% of abortions are done by 12 weeks, less than 1% are done between 20 and 21 weeks and those are done because the fetus has an extreme defect and won't survive after birth or to save the life of the woman. Putting a cut off date forces women/couples to rush decisions. It may also take several scans to make a proper diagnosis and if you find out at 21 weeks, with a 20 week cut off, now you are forced to carry a fetus that will die at birth. The rest are done between 12 and 19 weeks, usually because the woman has to scrape together funds and/or does not have easy access to an abortion clinic.
Explain to me how something with no brain function or muscle control (or muscles) can fight for its "life." The movements of a fetus are uncontrolled spasms and reflexes. It has no self awareness and has no control over what it's "doing."
I would agree that a six week old fetus probably doesn't have self awareness, same as someone with Alzheimer's disease, or a person in the final grips of stage 4 cancer, but unless you advocate we euthanize both our terminally sick and elderly as well as pre-babies, then you are a hypocrite.
I would agree that a six week old fetus probably doesn't have self awareness, same as someone with Alzheimer's disease, or a person in the final grips of stage 4 cancer, but unless you advocate we euthanize both our terminally sick and elderly as well as pre-babies, then you are a hypocrite.
the elderly, people w/Alzheimer's and terminally ill people can be can be taken care of anyone that wants to take it on. not so with pregnancy which is entirely up to the womb of the individual woman.
big difference.
the elderly, people w/Alzheimer's and terminally ill people can be can be taken care of anyone that wants to take it on. not so with pregnancy which is entirely up to the womb of the individual woman.
big difference.
The argument was made that a 6 week old fetus (which has eyes, fingers, lips, noses, limbs, and looks like a little baby), whether it fights being aborted. The remark was that it fought back without self knowledge...same as someone with Alzheimer's would... So, to advocate one and not the other would be hypocritical.
The argument was made that a 6 week old fetus (which has eyes, fingers, lips, noses, limbs, and looks like a little baby), whether it fights being aborted. The remark was that it fought back without self knowledge...same as someone with Alzheimer's would... So, to advocate one and not the other would be hypocritical.
perhaps a look at exactly what a 6 week old fetus looks like would help the discussion. no real fingers or limbs only buds. no real eyes and so on. the fetus might move away from stimuli but it does not move to fight for it's life. an Alzheimer's patient has already been born unlike a fetus. What your baby looks like — 6 weeks | BabyCenter
I always found it weird that pro life people made those exceptions. Children born out of rape are still humans. I imagine millions of children were brought into this world, especially countries that are war torn and have high levels of rape. Either you support terminating fetuses or you don't. Pro life people are basically admitting that they just want to punish women who enjoy sex with mandatory pregnancy. Because what they are saying is that if the sex was a choice, women should "suffer the consequences" but since rape isn't a choice she can't opt out. Abortion topics are never about life, it is about controlling women who seek sex.
Yes, exactly!
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Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid
I would agree that a six week old fetus probably doesn't have self awareness, same as someone with Alzheimer's disease, or a person in the final grips of stage 4 cancer, but unless you advocate we euthanize both our terminally sick and elderly as well as pre-babies, then you are a hypocrite.
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Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid
The argument was made that a 6 week old fetus (which has eyes, fingers, lips, noses, limbs, and looks like a little baby), whether it fights being aborted. The remark was that it fought back without self knowledge...same as someone with Alzheimer's would... So, to advocate one and not the other would be hypocritical.
Please, those are totally different things. To try and equate the two is beyond reaching.
A 6 week old fetus does not look anything like a person. And actually at 6 weeks it is still an embryo. The fetal stage does not begin until 8 weeks.
[quote=Cliffie;42188472]6 weeks!? Do you know how many women have no idea they're pregnant at 6 weeks?[/QUOTE
I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy at 6 weeks. Oh, yeah, you KNOW it. Period doesn't stop and extreme PAIN.
BTW, at 6 weeks gestation it is NOT a fetus. It is an EMBRYO. An Embryo is not a Fetus. The term is only used to conjure up images of a newborn which an embryo looks nothing like. An under 8 weeks old embryo has no chance of survival outside of a woman, and the MAJORITY "miscarry" without anyone even knowing.
The argument was made that a 6 week old fetus (which has eyes, fingers, lips, noses, limbs, and looks like a little baby), whether it fights being aborted. The remark was that it fought back without self knowledge...same as someone with Alzheimer's would... So, to advocate one and not the other would be hypocritical.
Well, in many cases of Alzheimer's, their mother is already dead and thus unavailable to opt for an abortion/euthanasia.
6 weeks!? Do you know how many women have no idea they're pregnant at 6 weeks?[/QUOTE
I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy at 6 weeks. Oh, yeah, you KNOW it. Period doesn't stop and extreme PAIN.
BTW, at 6 weeks gestation it is NOT a fetus. It is an EMBRYO. An Embryo is not a Fetus. The term is only used to conjure up images of a newborn which an embryo looks nothing like. An under 8 weeks old embryo has no chance of survival outside of a woman, and the MAJORITY "miscarry" without anyone even knowing.
You may KNOW it with an ectopic pregnancy, but certainly not a normal pregnancy.
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