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Here is the problem I see with race / ethnicity and IQ.
The very poor counties in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia are mainly populated by people with British and German ancestry, high IQ regions. Many Northern cities are much more affluent but their Euro ethnic groups are mostly from lower IQ Euro countries.
If the genetic component is so strong how is that possible?
I didn't read all the pages but just to poke some holes in your argument. Anglo-Saxons are just one of many MANY European ethnic groups. Many Americans who claim English ancestry or "landed gentry" are probably not even Anglo-Saxon. Many are Scots-Irish, Welsh or even German or Dutch. Hell the damn British Royal Family isn't even Anglo-Saxon. As far as really making their mark they didn't really get the ball rolling until maybe 500 years ago and this is only touching on accomplishments starting with New World settlement. Even so, there were just playing catch-up with the Spanish and Portuguese. As far as civilization accomplishments go they have to play a lot of catch-up. Take for instance:
Egyptian Empire
Ancient Greece - pretty much established classical thought
Roman Empire
Islamic Empire
Byzantine Empire
Ottoman Empire
Which is a small list of civilizations which made some impressive contributions to human society. This isn't even considering Asian civilization.
1. That there is no genetic description of race is unimportant. Going off of self identification alone is sufficient to identify the race-IQ disparity. The explanation, of course, is that folks who tend to be more white trace more of their ancestry to Europe, whereas folks who tend to be blacker trace more of their ancestry to Africa. I used the terms "whiter" and "blacker" because most people in America are a mix to some degree.
2. There are almost no intelligence psychologists in the world who believe the race-IQ disparity is 100% environmental. None. See the last link I provided in the above post. In a 2013 survey of 228 intelligence psychologists who had published in the field recently, the average amount of intelligence variation between races attributed to genes was 47%.
3. You are calling me biased, yet I haven't said anything that indicates I am biased. I am merely claiming something that is in line with experts in the field. I suspect that it is you who might have a bias here. The idea that there could be a genetic difference in intelligence between races is a socially unpopular view, and many people dismiss it out of hand. I don't think that is a good approach to empirical questions. It is not racist to make scientific claims that are backed by honest science.
You are not talking about science. You are talking about what YOU would like to believe.
The fact is that there is no objective measure to intelligence based on human capacity. It would be like saying,
"White men will never win another gold metal in the 100 meter sprint." or
"A black man will never be president" or
"Chinese people are really good at math"
All are generalizations based on personal bias. You are doing yourself a disservice by thinking like that.
There are many, many people of different culture and from regions all over the world that have brought significant discovery and knowledge to our society.
As for your statistics......... 99.884657415135895121% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Here is the problem I see with race / ethnicity and IQ.
The very poor counties in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia are mainly populated by people with British and German ancestry, high IQ regions. Many Northern cities are much more affluent but their Euro ethnic groups are mostly from lower IQ Euro countries.
If the genetic component is so strong how is that possible?
It is not possible.
The purported coorelation between IQ and race / ethnicity is garbage. Rascists either confuse level of education with IQ or cherry pick "examples" or "data" to prove their pre conceived conclusions.
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Originally Posted by Taluffen
Hell, the damn British Royal Family isn't even Anglo-Saxon.
Well said and very true. It makes an excellent summary to your points.
The purported coorelation between IQ and race / ethnicity is garbage. Rascists either confuse level of education with IQ or cherry pick "examples" or "data" to prove their pre conceived conclusions.
Just to chime in on this. These is a much stronger correlation between income and high IQ much more so than ethnic groups and IQ. As it happens the more money you invest in your child's education the better they perform academically and on IQ tests. So if you spend big bucks and send your child to a highly regarded private school, or if you live in a wealthy town with a well invested school district (courtesy of the town taxes and "fundraising") your child will, on average, perform better on IQ tests than the rest of the state.
Seriously, barring a major learning disability any child can become an engineer one day. However, not everyone wants to become an engineer. Nor does everyone have the access to an good educational environment which will facilitate becoming an engineer.
Just to chime in on this. These is a much stronger correlation between income and high IQ much more so than ethnic groups and IQ.
As it happens the more money you invest in your child's education the better they perform academically and on IQ tests.
Not everyone wants to become an engineer. Nor does everyone have the access to an good educational environment which will facilitate becoming an engineer.
Well said, and very clear and concise. The purported racial differences in IQ really depict differences in:
- Quality and quantity of education,
- Personal interest in academic studies,
- Possible membership in sub cultures that do, or do not emphasize education.
- Genetics, irregardless of race. It appears that some degree of intelligence can be inherited. This does not reflect inherently intelligent races, but rather inherently intelligent individuals who can be of any race.
Though IQ test proponents claim their tests measure innate intelligence and cannot be studied for, the tests can be both studied for and more commonly, groomed for over a period of years.
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Originally Posted by Taluffen
So if you spend big bucks and send your child to a highly regarded private school, or if you live in a wealthy town with a well invested school district (courtesy of the town taxes and "fundraising") your child will, on average, perform better on IQ tests than the rest of the state.
In addition, wealthy parents themselves are often highly educated. This gives their children a de facto private tutor(s) who is available every night for homework guidiance.
The very poor counties in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia are mainly populated by people with British and German ancestry, high IQ regions. Many Northern cities are much more affluent but their Euro ethnic groups are mostly from lower IQ Euro countries.
Interesting. I always believed the mountain folks were border Scots and Scots-Irish. Here's Wikipedia's take:
An estimated 90%[38] of Appalachia's earliest European settlers originated from the Anglo-Scottish border country— namely the English counties of Cumberland, Westmorland, Northumberland, County Durham, Lancashire and Yorkshire, and the Lowland Scottish counties of Ayrshire, Dumfriesshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire and Wigtownshire. Most of these were from families who had been resettled in the Ulster Plantation in northern Ireland in the 17th century,[39] but some came directly from the Anglo-Scottish border region.[40] In America, these people are often grouped under the single name "Scotch-Irish" or "Scots-Irish". While various 20th century writers tried to associate Appalachia with Scottish highlanders, Highland Scots were a relatively insignificant percentage of the region's early European immigrants.[40]
Another simple explanation for the rise of Europe as a civilization is a marked shift in geoeconomics starting during the Renaissance. Southern European and the Middle East countries were very competitive against each other for centuries. The Mediterranean was the center of the universe at that time, and the middle east countries controlled the trade routes to China. Southern/Mediterranean Europe first produced great civilizations (Greece, Rome) and various wealthy Italian city states. The middle east had the Babylonians, Persians, Egyptians, Jews, then the Turks and Phoenicians. A key shift in power to the Europeans came when the Age of Exploration got underway. Heading into the 15th century, new nations in Western Europe had arisen and united under common religion, language, culture. The 2 with the most advanced Navies, Portugal and Spain, opened up new trade routes via the Atlantic, Indian, and Pacific Oceans to the Americas, Africa, India and the Far East. After this, the Mediterranean was dwarfed as an economic commerce route and the land routes over the Middle East to China were also diminished in importance. Western European nations like Spain, France, England, and Holland took advantage of their accessibility to the Atlantic Ocean and became the powerhouses of the world, while Mediterranean and Middle Eastern powers were left behind.
humans venture out and take risks and want new experiences.
is it a white thing? I think not.
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What class.