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Old 05-28-2016, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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I don't think it can be.
Here is why:

Less belief in the ages-old prevailing belief system, namely Christianity. For 300 years, Christianity has been on the decline. People just don't believe in it very much anymore. That opens the door to another belief system (or systems).

Liberalism sounds good on the surface. It's a facile belief system. It sounds great. I know that to ME, it sounded awesome (as an 18 year old). It makes perfect "sense". So, it's easy to adopt.

People are just too apathetic and/or distracted to dig deeper. Honestly, over half of the people are just not going to EVER dig very deep into various beliefs. They either don't care to, or they are easily distracted by the many things that can occupy our time these days.

Finally. liberalism's True Believers (a minority of the believers in it) are very, very good at getting the thing spread and rooted into the power structures of society. They know what they are doing, and honestly, many of them are absolutely fanatical about this "task".

The march of history over the last 200 years proves that liberalism really can't be stopped. That is, without some form of Divine intervention.

 
Old 05-28-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Historically, Liberalism has to run it's course, turning to Socialism, then to Communisim before eventually eating it's own tail.

Rinse and repeat.
 
Old 05-28-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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Historically, Liberalism has to run it's course, turning to Socialism, then to Communisim before eventually eating it's own tail.

Rinse and repeat.
when has this happened?
 
Old 05-28-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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It never happend in reality. But wait a minite, now I remember. Glenn Beck once wrote a book with this scenario. That's it.

(Now seriously, amazing how little today people know about history and political science)

To the OP: every time communism took roots, it was following a (mostly) violent revolution. In all cases it started with a system like the one that currently exists in America.
However, there is no place today on earth that is just starting a communist regime. In a couple of places it's a decades old heritage and is about to die.
Now you can relax and calm down.
 
Old 05-28-2016, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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Communism is just one type of liberalism. Incremental liberalism, as in over many decades, is the prevailing trend.
 
Old 05-28-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Communism is just one type of liberalism. Incremental liberalism, as in over many decades, is the prevailing trend.
Really young man, why not open a couple of books? I read a lot when I was young. Now try to listen carefully:

There is no similarity between liberalism and communism. They are opposites. Communism is a totalitarian regime - the opposite of LIBRALism.

Have a great weekend!
 
Old 05-28-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by maineguy8888 View Post
I don't think it can be.
Here is why:

Less belief in the ages-old prevailing belief system, namely Christianity. For 300 years, Christianity has been on the decline. People just don't believe in it very much anymore. That opens the door to another belief system (or systems).

Liberalism sounds good on the surface. It's a facile belief system. It sounds great. I know that to ME, it sounded awesome (as an 18 year old). It makes perfect "sense". So, it's easy to adopt.

People are just too apathetic and/or distracted to dig deeper. Honestly, over half of the people are just not going to EVER dig very deep into various beliefs. They either don't care to, or they are easily distracted by the many things that can occupy our time these days.

Finally. liberalism's True Believers (a minority of the believers in it) are very, very good at getting the thing spread and rooted into the power structures of society. They know what they are doing, and honestly, many of them are absolutely fanatical about this "task".

The march of history over the last 200 years proves that liberalism really can't be stopped. That is, without some form of Divine intervention.

Liberalism IS a good thing. Unfortunately the Progressive Democrats have stolen the name and used its good standing to escalate their Tyrannical Socialist system they want to put in place world wide.
 
Old 05-28-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by oberon_1 View Post
It never happend in reality. But wait a minite, now I remember. Glenn Beck once wrote a book with this scenario. That's it.

(Now seriously, amazing how little today people know about history and political science)

To the OP: every time communism took roots, it was following a (mostly) violent revolution. In all cases it started with a system like the one that currently exists in America.
However, there is no place today on earth that is just starting a communist regime. In a couple of places it's a decades old heritage and is about to die.
Now you can relax and calm down.

Who even cares about crying Glenn Beck??


Is he still around? Maybe he can start a show w/ his buddy Sarah Palin- another idiot.
 
Old 05-28-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Historically, Liberalism has to run it's course, turning to Socialism, then to Communisim before eventually eating it's own tail.

Rinse and repeat.
I doubt you even know what those words really mean.


Capitalism left unchecked is just as scary as anything else. Unless of course you feel children should be allowed to work in coal mines again or that companies should be able to dump their waste where ever they wanted. We know what this all looks like because there was a time before regulation that we can look to and see the consequences.

The best system is a system of checks and balances that makes change difficult but does ultimately slowly progress. However what you get is measured progress and the pendulum slowly shifts. This is the system we have today. It isn't perfect, but nothing is.

We've tried the "lower taxes and it will trickle down" thing since the 80's. It really hasn't trickled down. We tried the "let corporations do what they want" with NAFTA

of which:

The strongest support in the House came from Republicans, who cast 132 votes for the trade plan and 43 against it. Among Democrats, 102 voted for the agreement and 156 opposed it. The one independent in Congress voted against the plan.

and it hasn't worked out so well. So maybe a move with a little bit more love towards the working man, all be it maybe the low end working man is in order to see how that works out.

Given they spend a significantly higher % of their income when they have it, my guess is it will work out quite well. We just have to prevent further automation and destruction of our work force even at the low end. Now that companies are mostly out of growth the only thing left is to look for innovation / new business or increasing productivity per dollar spent. One of those is much harder than the other.
 
Old 05-28-2016, 03:11 PM
 
Location: New England
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Liberalism by most definitions has nothing to do with the Democratic party. Liberalism by its simplest definition has more in common with small government Republicans than it has with Democrats. People like Ron Paul believe in liberalism, basically that increased government is a dead hand on society and the economy. Liberalism states that the government should only provide essential services. Liberalism is synnonomus with Adam Smith and his definition of capitalism.
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