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Old 07-02-2016, 04:31 AM
 
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Say after 9/11 the TSA didn't exist, as well as any beefing up of security to any of our intelligence agencies existed, do you think we would have had any more terrorist attacks or do you feel that all the security measures we have had since 9/11 have been completely pointless?
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Old 07-02-2016, 04:35 AM
 
Location: louisville
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No, we wouldn't. It would be the exact same except... We wouldn't be tearing our society apart as bad as we are now.
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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It is really insane when you think about how a small group of terrorists from a country most people had never heard of hatched a brilliant plan to hijack planes and use them as missiles and how their actions has cost us trillions and has changed how we live everyday.

Terrorism used to be a problem "over there" but since our elected insist on trying to make them be our friends we have seen an explosion of hate from that part of the world. Obama is like the parent who makes us play with a kid that we don't like.

The thing is we have to be vigilant 24/7 but the terrorists only need minutes to knock our teeth out.

I'd like to see security tighten up, drop the PC profiling crap. We know our enemy and the focus should be on them despite what our leaders deny.
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Old 07-02-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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It is really insane when you think about how a small group of terrorists from a country most people had never heard of hatched a brilliant plan to hijack planes and use them as missiles and how their actions has cost us trillions and has changed how we live everyday.

Agreed. this is totally absurd idea only a naive person can accept as true.

US has draconian security? It's joke, right?
How many times it was breached by pranksters and journalists?
When was the last time you were to airport? ALL TSA personnel is well trained WASPS, right? Patriots, unbribable, heroes of the country? As last time I checked, I have seen them in all kinds of flavors. MOF, been to one where practically all of them were Muslims. Who exactly do you think they will side with, just in case?
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Old 07-03-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Our security measures are a freaking joke. We have so many soft targets it's currently impossible to protect them all. These mother****ers are gonna kill us all a little at a time. If they are gonna take out 11-49 of ours for every one or two of theirs yeah we're gonna eat **** pie for a long time. And it's simply because we are unwilling to do what we need to protect ourselves. All because we dont want to offend anyone. You put down violence by fast hard action not flowers and apologies. We are a reactive society not a proactive society. Well a reactive government anyway.
You think these 1-2 team active mass shooters are gonna stop? You wait until the day these crazy f****s start doing IED explosives to buses or freeways and strapping on vests in malls and blowing people up. Think it won't happen here? We need to take a page from the Israelis on how to combat terrorism. Those people have been fighting terrorism against them since Jesus was making chairs.

See for a long time terrorism was something that happened "over there". Well now it's here and we are unwilling to accept it. Americans as a whole have short term memories. Look at our media. They just run from story to story. Hell they barely check to see of the facts are right.
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Old 07-03-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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Our security measures are a freaking joke. We have so many soft targets it's currently impossible to protect them all. These mother****ers are gonna kill us all a little at a time. If they are gonna take out 11-49 of ours for every one or two of theirs yeah we're gonna eat **** pie for a long time. And it's simply because we are unwilling to do what we need to protect ourselves. All because we dont want to offend anyone. You put down violence by fast hard action not flowers and apologies. We are a reactive society not a proactive society. Well a reactive government anyway.
You think these 1-2 team active mass shooters are gonna stop? You wait until the day these crazy f****s start doing IED explosives to buses or freeways and strapping on vests in malls and blowing people up. Think it won't happen here? We need to take a page from the Israelis on how to combat terrorism. Those people have been fighting terrorism against them since Jesus was making chairs.

See for a long time terrorism was something that happened "over there". Well now it's here and we are unwilling to accept it. Americans as a whole have short term memories. Look at our media. They just run from story to story. Hell they barely check to see of the facts are right.
Well thanks for taking the time to come out of your bunker to post this.


Certain aspects have done a lot. Dept. of homeland security is completely new because of 9-11. Them and the FBI have have foiled several terrorist plots and stopped terrorists from carrying out attacks here. They also collect information here that helps the fight over there. The terrorist cowards are looking for the easiest way to inflict as much damage as possible. There are always things that they could do, but that's completely ignorant to think we aren't now doing anything proactively to protect and stop them. The goal is to just stay one step ahead and break them down piece by piece.
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:03 PM
 
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Well thanks for taking the time to come out of your bunker to post this.


Certain aspects have done a lot. Dept. of homeland security is completely new because of 9-11. Them and the FBI have have foiled several terrorist plots and stopped terrorists from carrying out attacks here. They also collect information here that helps the fight over there. The terrorist cowards are looking for the easiest way to inflict as much damage as possible. There are always things that they could do, but that's completely ignorant to think we aren't now doing anything proactively to protect and stop them. The goal is to just stay one step ahead and break them down piece by piece.
He may have come out of his bunker but you must have drank your koolaid .
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Well thanks for taking the time to come out of your bunker to post this.


Certain aspects have done a lot. Dept. of homeland security is completely new because of 9-11. Them and the FBI have have foiled several terrorist plots and stopped terrorists from carrying out attacks here. They also collect information here that helps the fight over there. The terrorist cowards are looking for the easiest way to inflict as much damage as possible. There are always things that they could do, but that's completely ignorant to think we aren't now doing anything proactively to protect and stop them. The goal is to just stay one step ahead and break them down piece by piece.
I'm not in a bunker jack . Give me a break. Nobody said we aren't doing anything to stop them. I'm saying we aren't doing enough to stop them. And yes DHS , CIA NSA and FBI have done a lot to stop terrorist attacks. But we need to do more. Right now there is not enough law enforcement manpower to guard every soft target in the USA. There just arent enough LEO personnel. They (terrorists) aren't stupid. They are going to hit soft targets like they already did like office buildings, bars, restaurants, smaller venue concerts. Eventually malls and bus stations. Areas where they know people are defenseless and help isn't going to get there that fast and even if it does, these people are committed to harm others and don't care if they die. Why hit those type of targets? Because it's easy. If you look at Israel, France, Britain, what's happening there is starting to happen here. Look at the crazies that blew themselves up at that soccer match or went on shooting rampages in France.
Wanna read some scary stuff.. Read Crisis of Character. I just tore through it in two days. The section about Air Marshal service is interesting. There was a guy who built a team of special forces that probed Navy bases for security. He wrote a book about it. He said security was pitiful. The book was Red Cell. Read it sometime.
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Old 07-04-2016, 05:54 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Say after 9/11 the TSA didn't exist, as well as any beefing up of security to any of our intelligence agencies existed, do you think we would have had any more terrorist attacks or do you feel that all the security measures we have had since 9/11 have been completely pointless?
If the US really cared about a security situation it would have come into play in 1993 when the first time the WTC was attacked. Security wise the US should have been in line with the security measures all over Europe which it was not. 9/11 brought that naivety to an end. But instead of being inline with security on other continents, it created this TSA nightmare and created numerous agencies that don't talk to each other and usually get the information wrong. The US is not proactive in anything. We should have security measures in line with the rest of the world, but our over the top security we have in place has become a money pit of pointless actions. More Terrorist like attacks? Without foundation facts related to it, Orlando pretty much gave proof to your query.
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Old 07-04-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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Actually, unless I am mistaken the TSA and "all those services" put toward preventing terrorist attacks now have, with documented proof, severed the interest of the United States of America in preventing Multiple FOREIGN terrorist attacks and threats. The latter is a bit vague, but the former can be seen directly in chemical weapons confiscated or individuals on terrorist watch list being unable to fly.

As for Orlando, I don't call that a terrorist attack. That was a tragic shooting...the worst in USA history, but a shooting nonetheless. Similarly to that guy in Norway who shot and killed hundreds.
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