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Old 09-15-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
There it is...

That desperate right wing hope for Hillary's health to collapse.

So christian. So fearful. So revealing of an empty, bleak outlook on America's future.

Enjoy this entertaining campaign. The angry "evangelical right" has tightly embraced a womanizing adulterer with the morals of an alley cat and courage of a chickenhawk in their failing quest to remain a dominant and relevant aspect of America's culture.

I report. You decide.

The "desperate right wing" you are so eager to demonize represents only a small part of the conservative movement overall.

And it is the Left (in a broad sense) who are eager to distort the view and paint us all as drawling, drooling provincials. There is every bit as much of an appeal to ignorance and stereotyping, possibly more, within the great Democratic coalition -- a substantial portion of which is in the shallow end of the pond when it comes to dollars, education, or scruples -- and that's a deficiency which can't usually be "remedied" by harnessing the coercive power of a central government which is already too powerful.

The Empress has fewer and fewer clothes, and the day of reckoning is coming.

 
Old 09-15-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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The Clintons are not evil nor stupid, but rather evasive to a point of making for a disturbed society . They and their protective minions create a carnival of mistrust dating back decades. They circumvent rules, laws , ethics, and proliferate an extreme leftist ideology founded on political
correctness and whatever fits their weird agenda.
You're misinformed. The Clintons are not far left or extreme at all, factually speaking. Compare to Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich, who are both far left. The Clintons are normal to conservative Democrats.

Because you are not informed, you think that everyone who is left of center (all Democrats) is extreme left. That would be like a Democrat saying that everyone who is right of center is an extreme rightwingnut. Would you describe McCain as an extreme rightwingnut? How about Reagan?

This is how Trump is making inroads. With people who don't really know much about politics.
 
Old 09-15-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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Both major-party candidates are elderly and beyond their prime. And it is probably not a controversial statement, that in both cases, the VP nominee would be more palatable than the Presidential nominee.

One consideration worth mentioning, is that if the eventually-elected president becomes for whatever reason unable to govern, then the severity of the ensuing crisis depends greatly on the priorities set by that individual. For a milquetoast, technocratic and unimaginative set of priorities, where the President is basically a caretaker and proponent of the status quo, government can more or less limp along, without a chief executive definitively in charge. If however the priorities are radically transformative, if far-reaching initiatives are set in motion, and then the chief executive falters - well then, it becomes difficult for government to limp along.

To give a historical example, were Calvin Coolidge to have suffered a massive stroke in 1925, but remained nominally the President, government would likely have continued without being much fraught with duress. If the same were to have happened to FDR in 1935, we'd have a severe crisis.

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So what we seem to have here is a campaign more dominated by grass-roots populism than any in recent history...
Agreed. America has always harbored skepticism of "the elites", but in the present cycle, animosity against professional politicians and career-bureaucrats has been especially intense.

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... I would hope that this event would transform future political presidential campaigns to more conform to other presidential campaigns elsewhere in the world: 3 months of campaigning, not 2 years!
Indeed, the protracted presidential campaign is expensive and wasteful. One supposes that a shorter process can be conducted, without abridging freedom of speech, or the candidate vetting-process. It is difficult to conclude that our current lengthy process has produced optimal results, on either side. If this is the best that we could do, we could have done some much more rapidly, more cheaply and less divisively.
 
Old 09-15-2016, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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George Washington was healthy and vigorous. But he got pneumonia at age 67 and died.
Well thank you for the history lesson from 1799. Medicine has changed a tad since then. I know an 82 year old woman who has had pneumonia 3 times and is probably more active than you.
 
Old 09-15-2016, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The "desperate right wing" you are so eager to demonize represents only a small part of the conservative movement overall.
"Our new poll finds that Trump is benefiting from a GOP electorate that thinks Barack Obama is a Muslim and was born in another country, and that immigrant children should be deported. 66% of Trump's supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim to just 12% that grant he's a Christian. 61% think Obama was not born in the United States to only 21% who accept that he was."

Trump Supporters Think Obama is A Muslim Born in Another Country - Public Policy Polling

If the shoe fits and all that.

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And it is the Left (in a broad sense) who are eager to distort the view and paint us all as drawling, drooling provincials. There is every bit as much of an appeal to ignorance and stereotyping, possibly more, within the great Democratic coalition -- a substantial portion of which is in the shallow end of the pond when it comes to dollars, education, or scruples -- and that's a deficiency which can't usually be "remedied" by harnessing the coercive power of a central government which is already too powerful.

The Empress has fewer and fewer clothes, and the day of reckoning is coming.
The day of reckoning arrives in 7.5 weeks.

 
Old 09-15-2016, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Alexander Archipelago
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Both major-party candidates are elderly and beyond their prime. .
Yes, but there's no requirement of running a 6 minute mile prior to being sworn in.

Recently released:

"..Clinton is currently taking Armor Thyroid, Coumadin, Levaquin (temporarily), Clarinex and B-12 as needed. Her blood pressure is 100/70; heart rate of 70; respiratory rate of 18; temperature of 97.8 and pulse-oximetry of 99 percent.

Clinton's vaccinations are "up to date" and include Prevnar and Pneumovax.

She has had a normal mammogram and breast ultrasound. Lab testing (vitamin D, CBC, fasting blood glucose, comprehensive metabolic panel, hemoglobin A1-C, vitamin B-12) is "normal," including cholesterol of 189, LDL of 103, HDL of 56 and triglycerides of 159..."
 
Old 09-15-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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Yes, but there's no requirement of running a 6 minute mile prior to being sworn in.
That's true, of course. But isn't it ironic, that in an election dominated by clamoring for change, for freshness and new ideas and so forth, that both major-party nominees are from the vanguard of the Baby Boom? Indeed, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and both current major-party candidates were all born within a couple of years of each other. Strange, how the Silent Generation has never produced a US President, while the oldest cohort of the Baby Boomers will likely produce 3.
 
Old 09-15-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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Yes, but there's no requirement of running a 6 minute mile prior to being sworn in.
Taft, a Republican, was quite wide.
"his weight peaked at 335–340 pounds"
 
Old 09-15-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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All the BS aside, it is an amazing thing that our POTUS candidates do not get full workups for their mental health. I'm not suggesting this should be made public, but that perhaps a "supreme court of shrinks" could be set up to check out candidates and then perhaps every 2 years while in office.

Maybe something like 10 experts where when at least 7 stated the POTUS was sane it would be OK.

As it stands, we can 100% have mad people (Nixon), those starting to decline quickly (Reagan), etc.
 
Old 09-15-2016, 07:03 PM
 
Location: In a city
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Good point. But the nation has never faced a situation in which a Presidential candidate died, or their activities "came under a cloud" in the last few weeks before Election Day. And the closest parallels (1876 and 2000) don't represent a very orderly process. Perhaps the best example can be found in the re-establishment of functional state governments in the South during Reconstruction -- and the scenario isn't pretty.

http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/20431
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