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Old 10-15-2016, 06:11 AM
 
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Oh, please!! That sort of legend was handed down by the parents at home, and it was debunked, at least in part, in the elementary grades. The history lessons I recall from the third through the sixth grades, touched on issues like the settling of the west, but they couldn't be analyzed and criticized in detail because a nine-year-old mind isn't ready for that. And it shouldn't be overlooked that the Fifties and Sixties saw a huge expansion in the role of television and other electronic media.

EXAMPLE: The history book I recall from one year, somewhere between the fourth and sixth grade was entitled My Pennsylvania. It dwelt on a wide variety of subjects, often in an anecdotal format -- everything from the bitter winter at Valley Forge to Pennsylvania artists as diverse as Stephen Foster and Marian Anderson. But it wasted a lot of print lionizing Thaddeus Stevens, the notorious architect of Reconstruction -- because Stevens was also an early, and strong advocate of public education. Absolutely no mention of Stevens skullduggery, which included attempts to undercut the Constitution -- just as in the 1930s and the present day -- was mentioned, nor was it brought up in my Junior High history studies.



Except that demographic trends, such as the near-complete adaption of many tenets of socialism and collectivism by an increasingly-feminized Educational Establishment, place a much heavier burden upon those advocating traditional and/or libertarian (small 'l' emphasized, please) values. To the NEA and its minions, Political Correctness is often an absolutist doctrine -- as demonstrated by many of the ideologues who seek to dominate academia.



FWIW, I was a member of a labor union (United Food and Commercial Workers / AFL-CIO) for eighteen years, participated in one six-week strike, and considered the dues well spent -- so long as the money went for formulation and enforcement of work rules within my shop. That purpose, however, seemed to take more and more of a back seat to politics as the years passed.

Unions serve a purpose, but they are most successful in the capital-intensive industries such as public utilities, or essentials like chemicals and oil -- some of which have been gutted by de-industrialization. In lower-paying industries like food and beverages, local shops have been weakened by competition from nationally-known brands. On the lower rungs of the industrial ladder, unionists tend to sink to class warfare, but they still wield a lot of power when they hold a (usually state-mandated) monopoly in fields like education and public safety, and they are well aware of this disparity, though a lot of the rank-and-file are not.
Oops, I thought we were going to debate the merits of the notion that schools aren't teaching as well as they did in the 50s and 60s. Apparently, I was mistaken and this is a thread about ranting against, what was it? Women, liberals, unions, whatever....

Never mind the original premise.
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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Who knows what it really was, but the original premise was purported to be whatever happened to "citizenship" in America. That certainly implies a time vector while also opening the door to various attempts to co-opt the terms "citizenship" and "America". There is a segment of the US population that does such co-opting of terms and topics from the moment they get out of bed in the morning. Nothing else should have been expected from them here.
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Old 10-15-2016, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Oops, I thought we were going to debate the merits of the notion that schools aren't teaching as well as they did in the 50s and 60s. Apparently, I was mistaken and this is a thread about ranting against, what was it? Women, liberals, unions, whatever....

Never mind the original premise.
I have no particular prejudices against women, minorities or organized labor. I will. however, proudly admit a deep-seated prejudice against a Democratic Party which has been hijacked by aging Sixties-era radicals, and which seeks to turn our nation into a passive, stagnant, class-conscious society modeled upon Europe, killing the rebelliousness and distrust of authority which has always been central to the American character in the process.

For that much, I will offer no apologies whatsoever.
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Old 10-15-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I have no particular prejudices against women, minorities or organized labor. I will. however, proudly admit a deep-seated prejudice against a Democratic Party which has been hijacked by aging Sixties-era radicals, and which seeks to turn our nation into a passive, stagnant, class-conscious society modeled upon Europe, killing the rebelliousness and distrust of authority which has always been central to the American character in the process.

For that much, I will offer no apologies whatsoever.
By whom has the Republican Party been hijacked? Are you mad about that, too? Are you sure you're not confusing the two? lol
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Old 10-15-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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I have no particular prejudices against women, minorities or organized labor. I will. however, proudly admit a deep-seated prejudice against a Democratic Party which has been hijacked by aging Sixties-era radicals, and which seeks to turn our nation into a passive, stagnant, class-conscious society modeled upon Europe, killing the rebelliousness and distrust of authority which has always been central to the American character in the process. For that much, I will offer no apologies whatsoever.
Too many John Wayne movies. There never was an America like the one you claim to recall. There isn't any threat to America like the one you imagine.
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Old 10-15-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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By whom has the Republican Party been hijacked? Are you mad about that, too?

Not in the least; my libertarian beliefs stretch all the way back to the late Sixties, when that movement was confined to a small number of dissident (with regard to religious- and nationalistically-rooted social issues) splinter groups within the mainstream conservative movement. These were usually found on the campuses of major universities and, as previously pointed out in other threads, were a major component of the Libertarian Party, first organized in 1972.

My point being, I see the distrust of authority and over-centralization of the machinery of statecraft as central to the development of a libertarian, as opposed to a traditionalist or absolutist character. That doesn't seem to be the case for the Politically Correct, who seem bent upon imposing their doctrines on everyone else.

The problem facing the GOP lies in the challenge of reconciling its better-educated half (which has been deserting in favor of the (capital "L") Libertarians with the Fundies, and Trumpsters -- who just don't get the point.
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Old 10-15-2016, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Too many John Wayne movies. There never was an America like the one you claim to recall. There isn't any threat to America like the one you imagine.
The aberration (and usual "progressive" excuse) of slavery aside- four centuries of welcoming the assertive and ambitious from other societies says otherwise.

Most of my ancestors emigrated from Germany in the wake of the failed revolution of 1848 -- it was a better prospect than subjugation and waiting to be wasted in the nobility's next war. And a substantial portion of my circle of friends are Filipino; from a nation saddled with corruption, but willing to export many of its brightest sons and daughters.

I could cite other examples -- but I think I've made the point.
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Old 10-15-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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I could cite other examples -- but I think I've made the point.
Not in your earlier post, and not in this one either. An admission that you hold a...

"...deep-seated prejudice against a Democratic Party which has been hijacked by aging Sixties-era radicals, and which seeks to turn our nation into a passive, stagnant, class-conscious society modeled upon Europe, killing the rebelliousness and distrust of authority which has always been central to the American character in the process..."

...shows only too plainly that a fog of rah-rah propaganda has fairly swallowed you up. You should perhaps just go get a pedicure and chill out for a bit. I'm sure it would do you a world of good.
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Old 10-15-2016, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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A professor I used to work with, who was from Croatia, used to refer to Rockwell's art as the American equivalent of Soviet Realism. Very sanitized, squeaky-clean, cliché, ideal for propaganda purposes.
Rockwell was a very talented artist, and I like much of what of what he did, but his vision of the 1930s-1950s simply wasn't realistic. For example his painting "Freedom From Want" shows our stereotypical view of Thanksgiving, but ignores that almost no one actually lived that way when it was painted in the midst of WWII. His paintings of the 1950s certainly didn't portray us huddled under our desks practicing for what we would do in the case of an atomic bomb blast. Beautiful, sugary paintings...that have their place, but didn't portray actual "citizenship" in our country for millions of people.
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Old 10-15-2016, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The aberration (and usual "progressive" excuse) of slavery aside- four centuries of welcoming the assertive and ambitious from other societies says otherwise.

Most of my ancestors emigrated from Germany in the wake of the failed revolution of 1848 -- it was a better prospect than subjugation and waiting to be wasted in the nobility's next war. And a substantial portion of my circle of friends are Filipino; from a nation saddled with corruption, but willing to export many of its brightest sons and daughters.

I could cite other examples -- but I think I've made the point.
Interesting how easily you dismiss the stain of slavery.
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