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Old 11-22-2016, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Hello. Please tell me what benefit the electoral college gives me.
What - you don't know how to use google?


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Having a candidate lose an election with 1.7 million more votes (and counting) than the others is.......... not democratic.
The USA is a republic.

Trump won 30 states to Clinton's 20.
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Old 11-22-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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there is no left-leaning msm because there is no market for it.
rotflmao !!!!
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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What - you don't know how to use google?

The USA is a republic.

Trump won 30 states to Clinton's 20.
I'm asking you for your reasoning.

I believe that we need to change the electoral college system. It is flawed and has no benefit.

It is flawed because Hillary received 1.7 million more votes and lost ( And still going up)

It is flawed because it waters down my vote. (Heavily populated states vs. unpopulated states.)

Can you counter that argument without insults, misdirection or patronizing remarks?
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:48 PM
 
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Did they also say who won the proportion of people voting who wore brown shoes? After all, it seems the subject is "let's discuss things that are irrelevant."
It is only irrelevant to you because your short term agenda is fulfilled. It is not irrelevant because it is not fair. It is gerrymandering nonsense.

It is watering down important votes.
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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Hillary Clinton's Popular Vote Lead Keeps Growing Due To California's Slow Ballot Counting : NPR


There is a legitimate concern with this EC issue. Anyone that does not acknowledge that is fine with it for another four years, but may not like it in the near future.

I say we can do better. The EC is antiquated and needs to be eliminated.

Hillary may have won the popular vote by 2.5 MILLION VOTES

That should be concerning, even to Trump supporters. Look, Listen and Watch then speak.
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Old 11-22-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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What - you don't know how to use google?




The USA is a republic.

Trump won 30 states to Clinton's 20.
I think you are ducking.

Explain how it benefits "We the People".

Yes it is a Republic and it is a Representative Democracy. So?
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Old 11-22-2016, 05:16 PM
 
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Why Trump won the electoral college. He won spending half the amount of money that Clinton spent. He won it, by not going the old style political path to win it. No presidential election in the future will operate the same political machine type politics of the past that Clinton operated under. Someone smarter than anyone in the Clinton political machine won the election for his father-in-law.

Forbes Welcome

Before the election when Clinton was expected to win, the stock market was falling, businesses were planning on moving more jobs out of the country. Businesses were not hiring a lot of new people. The economy was preparing to have another recession.

Since Trump won, the stock market is alive again, and setting records. Companies are now thinking of staying in the U.S. and expanding. Jobs will be growing in this country. Things are turning around, with a president that understands business, and the companies that provide jobs are getting ready to grow and hire again.

Due to stock increases in value, Warren Buffett has made Billions in the last few days. This is an example of how the business world is seeing things change for the better. And it will bring jobs again, and overall will lead to wage increases again. The economy is going to quickly change for the better, and for those seeking jobs, and wages always follow when the economy soars.
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Old 11-22-2016, 07:13 PM
 
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Republic? Democracy? What’s the Difference? | Capitalism Magazine
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The EC is a work of genius, and it should never be changed.

https://medium.com/@gberms/hamilton-...e1e#.jyovsivkj
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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The EC is a work of genius, and it should never be changed.

https://medium.com/@gberms/hamilton-...e1e#.jyovsivkj
I find both the article and your citing of it amusing. Both you and the author seem to have lost sight of the fact that the EC does not work as it was originally designed. Alexander Hamilton's point was that under the system as it was originally designed, electors could vote their conscience and refuse to elect a demagogic candidate to office even if the people desired his election. Maybe such a system has some merit--although it is pretty paternalistic--but its not the system we have today.

Today, slates of electors are absolutely committed to voting for the candidate who wins the plurality of votes in their state. Some states have made it a criminal offense for an elector to vote for anyone else. When you say "It should never be changed". It already has been.

In effect, both you and the author say we should retain a system which does not work the way Alexander Hamilton and the other Framers intended for it too work.
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