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Old 12-06-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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Of course it is not. The founders are long dead.

But of course there is an immense advantage to the right. Sum up the Trump EC vote and the populaton in the 20 smaller states...you will see. The campaign hung on a few rust belt cities...but that is after Trump gets his small state increment...and that is what he wins on.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. This is what isn't happening:

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low population states being given a bigger vote than those on the coast.
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. This is what isn't happening:
Of course it is. That is EC votes per capita. Wildly skewed. Try Wyoming versus California.
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:54 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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A right of secession is not now and never has been available to any state. The only way out of our perpetual union is to reverse the process of admission, That is, you must petition for the approval of those whom you would wish to leave behind and then receive it.
Where does it state that in the Constitution?
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Old 12-06-2016, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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The cumulative population of the Clinton-won states (CA, HI, MD, MA, NY, RI, VT, CN, DE, IL, ME, NJ, NM, OR, WA, CO, MN, NV, NH, VA) plus Washington DC is ~ 139 Million

The cumulative population of the Trump-won states (MI, FL, IA, OH, PA, WI, AZ, GA, IN, MO, NC, AL, AK, AR, ID, KS, KY, LA, MS, MT, NE, ND, OK, SC, TN, TX, UT, WV, WY) is ~170 Million.

QED.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The cumulative population of the Clinton-won states (CA, HI, MD, MA, NY, RI, VT, CN, DE, IL, ME, NJ, NM, OR, WA, CO, MN, NV, NH, VA) plus Washington DC is ~ 139 Million

The cumulative population of the Trump-won states (MI, FL, IA, OH, PA, WI, AZ, GA, IN, MO, NC, AL, AK, AR, ID, KS, KY, LA, MS, MT, NE, ND, OK, SC, TN, TX, UT, WV, WY) is ~170 Million.

QED.
However as you are well aware the cumulative Clinton vote is 2.5 million larger than the Trump vote.

How to lie with numbers?

I will have to work out tomorrow how well Trump did wit the small states.
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Old 12-07-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Where does it state that in the Constitution?
The written Constitution itself is a good deal less than the written or unwritten body of Constitutional law.
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Old 12-07-2016, 05:16 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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The written Constitution itself is a good deal less than the written or unwritten body of Constitutional law.
Please explain. I can think of only a few items that are considered part of the Constitution that are not part of the written Constitution. Judicial review is one that is a distinctive part of constitutional law but is nowhere expressly conveyed in the Constitution. Stare decisis is a principle of constitutional policy that is not expressly conveyed in the Constitution. I'm sure there are a few others that my limited Constitutional knowledge is missing.
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Old 12-07-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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Please explain. I can think of only a few items that are considered part of the Constitution that are not part of the written Constitution. Judicial review is one that is a distinctive part of constitutional law but is nowhere expressly conveyed in the Constitution. Stare decisis is a principle of constitutional policy that is not expressly conveyed in the Constitution. I'm sure there are a few others that my limited Constitutional knowledge is missing.
The constitutionality of secession was tested by the Civil War. However, there are supreme court cases that came afterwards that reject the legitimacy of secession as well. Key among these are decisions which refuse to recognize the Civil War as a "war". Instead, the court refers to it as a "rebellion". Wars take place between countries. Rebellions are internal matters that occur within a country. See Texas v. White, 74 US 700 (1869). The decision is quite clear that unilateral secession of a state is illegal.

Next, the Constitution makes no provision for a process for a state to secede from the union after having been admitted.

Finally, since all the states admitted to the union after the original thirteen states were first U.S. territories, my contention would be that even if a state could secede from the union, it would give up statehood, but would remain a U.S. territory. U.S. territories are governed by Congress and the President appoints territorial officials.
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Old 12-08-2016, 10:00 AM
 
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Please explain. I can think of only a few items that are considered part of the Constitution that are not part of the written Constitution. Judicial review is one that is a distinctive part of constitutional law but is nowhere expressly conveyed in the Constitution. Stare decisis is a principle of constitutional policy that is not expressly conveyed in the Constitution. I'm sure there are a few others that my limited Constitutional knowledge is missing.
The Constitution is not some grocery list of all existing rights and powers. There is no need for either a right or power to be enumerated for it to exist. What is implied exists as much as what is written.
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Old 12-08-2016, 10:07 AM
 
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See Texas v. White, 74 US 700 (1869).
It's amazing how few people have even heard of Texas v White. It's been the explicit law of the land for nearly 150 years now. I guess news travels slowly in some parts.
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