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This is America, dude. Accused doesn't count for anything. And your list of inmates would be highly unlikely to include any that would actually validate your claim.
Why did you ignore the rest of the post? Especially this sentence:
"We need an independent investigation, an honest trial (if needed), and a presidential pardon in the end if found guilty."
THAT, IMO, is the truth of the matter!
Apparently, she broke the law and worse, the Clinton Foundation is in serious question. We have to try her for the following reasons:
1) NO one is above the law despite what the Clintons and Democrats in general, think
2) She should be given full due-process as anyone accused of a crime should/would receive.
3) IF she and/or the foundation is found guilty of any crime then the appropriate sentence should be adjudicated, just like for you and me and eerily similar of what that sailor, NOW IN JAIL is in for. He merely took photos of a top secret asset, never disseminated them and for THAT, he is spending a year. Seems to me, that she DID disseminate secrets, in an unsafe manner, lied under oath and if proven (has) she should do the time. JUST like you and me.
4) Sets a precedent. NO one is above the law. Make an example. Hold our leaders, Republican and Democrat to the same legal standards.
5) If any Republican is guilty of the same, same conditions apply, NO exceptions.
Want to clean Washington up? Here's your chance. To pardon her is a slap in the face to all those now sitting in jail for similar crimes. It's simply not right. It's not just. It's not fair. Treat everyone, always, the same as anyone else no matter their race, color, creed, demeanor, sex, position, title, connections, etc....keep it fair and balanced.
I agree. But are you really concerned with being fair to people who are currently incarcerated?
Why did you ignore the rest of the post? Especially this sentence: "We need an independent investigation, an honest trial (if needed), and a presidential pardon in the end if found guilty." THAT, IMO, is the truth of the matter!
Because it is precedent upon a total partisan fantasy. The "(if needed)" bit just gives away the fact that the poster himself knows full well that there is actually nothing here to prosecute. These vague claims and lamentations are all just a lot of partisan noise and rhetoric that fails to rise even to the level of being a decent tempest in a teapot.
I agree. But are you really concerned with being fair to people who are currently incarcerated?
Absolutely. Fair, is well, fair? However, don't toss the race card out if that's where you are going. Believe it or not, MOST of those imprisoned are there by their own circumstance. What I was saying is that her and ANYONE else be treated EQUALLY under the law....which means. you break the law, you get treated the same whether you are a king or a pauper.
Gerald Ford issued a pre-emptive blanket pardon to Richard Nixon for any crimes he might have participated in during Watergate or at any other point in his term of office...
Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
In that very different case of course, there was ample reason to suspect that Mr. Nixon was indeed a crook who would have had years of undignified exposure to potential civil suits and criminal prosecutions ahead of him.
For the same reason, I think it is time to grant a Presidential Pardon to Hillary regarding her time in office.
Then, there would be no point is any "special prosecutor" to investigate any of alleged wrong-doings.
Because it is precedent upon a total partisan fantasy. The "(if needed)" bit just gives away the fact that the poster himself knows full well that there is actually nothing here to prosecute. These vague claims and lamentations are all just a lot of partisan noise and rhetoric that fails to rise even to the level of being a decent tempest in a teapot.
I wish I could be that sure. However, I do not trust her, never have trusted her, never will trust her.
That is why I agree with the independent investigation, then place the results before a Grand Jury to return an indictment or not. I am well aware of the difficulty in finding a non-partisan investigator, and a non-partisan Grand Jury. But I think it needs to be done, to put the matter to rest for once and for all!
I think it is quite telling that comey did not present his findings to a Grand Jury, he just arbitrarily made the decision that there was no "intent", so there would be no prosecution. That just seems to be WRONG!
Check the first sentence of the Fifth Amendment.
For the same reason, I think it is time to grant a Presidential Pardon to Hillary regarding her time in office. Then, there would be no point is any "special prosecutor" to investigate any of alleged wrong-doings. It is time to move on.
LOL! All but admitting that the whole "Crooked Hillary" thing was just a manipulative sham, Trump has already walked away from any plans for further investigations.
By contrast, Senate Republicans in large numbers stood ready to convict Nixon of everything he was charged with. This is why he chose to resign instead. Smoking guns also have consequences.
LOL! All but admitting that the whole "Crooked Hillary" thing was just a manipulative sham, Trump has already walked away from any plans for further investigations.
I wish I could be that sure. However, I do not trust her, never have trusted her, never will trust her.
So this is all some sort of personal gut feeling thing? As the great Clara Peller once said, "WHERE'S THE BEEF?"
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That is why I agree with the independent investigation, then place the results before a Grand Jury to return an indictment or not. I am well aware of the difficulty in finding a non-partisan investigator, and a non-partisan Grand Jury. But I think it needs to be done, to put the matter to rest for once and for all!
I think it is quite telling that comey did not present his findings to a Grand Jury, he just arbitrarily made the decision that there was no "intent", so there would be no prosecution. That just seems to be WRONG!
I know that some people want a full and independent investigation of allegations of baby-eating among potential Trump cabinet appointees. They concede that they have no actionable or any other kind of evidence of this or any other sort of wrong-doing. They simply feel that it would be important to clear the air.
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Check the first sentence of the Fifth Amendment.
The amendment consists of but a single sentence. This is what it says...
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Which parts did you think would be pertinent here?
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