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Old 03-29-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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The "pc" Sect of Navy was asked what the greatest strength of our military was and he said......."our diversity"


Strange that the first thing the military does in boot camp is to take away any individualism and mold everyone to correspond to one model.


I guess he just said that to appease the liberals.
The strength of the military (and a good number of other successful militaries over the centuries) is to erase the lines that define diverse cultures in the civilian community and replace them with a diversity of its own.


At the end of my very, very, long first day in basic training, our instructor pulled us into a huddle before sending us to bed. He was a buck sergeant named Jimmy Weeks from South Carolina, about five-five and built like a fire hydrant. He talked out of the side of his mouth with a twang that could curdle milk.


He told us: "One thing we ain't gonna have in this flight is racial troubles.
"The reason we ain't gonna have no racial troubles is because you ain't got no reason to have racial troubles.
"The reason you ain't got no reason to have racial troubles is because you're all the same color, namely green.
"You all got the same hair...namely none.
"You all got the same daddy...namely me.
"And you all got the same wants and desires...namely to get the @#$%@ out of here!"


The military culture is alien to everyone. The military does not remove individuality, the military removes the dividing lines of the civilian world--no long hairs, no short hairs, no Guccis, no Levis--and then creates its own dividing lines: Different services, different occupations, different ranks...but all members of the same body with the same mission and the same commander.

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Old 03-29-2017, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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This answer really confuses me. So, if the bubonic plague is decimating a country, you think it's okay to let infected people in? To make it fair or something?
You're grasping for straws. No one is talking the bubonic plague. No one is talking about bacteria or viruses.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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“The next time some academics tell you how important diversity is, ask how many Republicans there are in their sociology department.”
―Thomas Sowell

Thomas Sowell: The 'Diversity' Fraud

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My wife is a native of the Philippines yet the word diversity makes me want to puke. It is a code word for race based quotas and liberal immigration policies. When I was young this nation was referred to as a melting pot. Which means that groups assimilated and that our population shared at least some common values.
I've known people who hate Filipinos. Thinks they should all be deported back to the Phillipines because they don't believe in diversity.

That okay with you?
 
Old 03-29-2017, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The word "diversity" is a liberal guilt generated word that has no meaning in any human group function to accomplish a uniform goal. To achieve goals it's necessary for every one to be pulling their weight in the same direction.

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Do we need to deport Republicans and Democrats, too, then? Because right now they're not working together to accomplish a uniform goal. Tea Party gotta go? Freedom Caucus?

Where do you draw the line?
 
Old 03-29-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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In many countries it is always said that diversity is great and that it only strengthens them. But is it really? It seems like countries that have a lot of diversity, especially speaking of racial and religious diversity have some of the biggest issues; war, poverty, divide, conflict etc. Yet look at say, Japan, for the good part when it comes to race, religion, etc it is doing very well.

Yet look at countries both past and present that were diverse and it ultimately always seems to ultimately end in ruin. The Roman Empire became diverse; destroyed from within. Austrio-Hungray was diverse; pretty much sucked at everything they did in WWI and had all kinds of issues leading to its dissolution. Then look at today where countries in the West are primarily accepting refugees and others with belief like, values, ideas etc that are far different than what the host nations are used to leading to lots of crime, and discord.

So honestly, when it comes to things such as peace, prosperity, a general sense of unity would it not ultimately be best if every country, like Japan had one race, one language, one religion, one general outlook regarding things etc etc etc?

Homogeneous nations seem to do better than those that aren't.
Except, of course, that Japan is not (has never been?) homogenous. There are the Ainu - in the north, who look Caucasian, who have their own language, culture, religion (I think). There are the burakumin, Japanese ethnics who are ritually unclean - they dealt in meat, butchering, tanning, working with garbage & etc. There are (since the 1930s CE @ least - Korean & Chinese nationals - with their languages & cultures & religions, living in Japan, 3 generations, who are still not considered Japanese & never will be. They read & speak Japanese (& their own language), but the traditional Japanese marriage brokers will not consider a match between an ethnic Japanese & any of these foreigners, nor Ainu nor burakumin.

Religions in Japan - among the majority - are Shinto, Buddhism, kami (spirits). & Japan is facing a demographic crisis - the population is aging, there aren't enough children born for replacement. I don't know if this is true of the entire spectrum, or just the ethnic Japanese. That is a good question in itself.

In the case of the US, once Europeans arrived to stay, the hemisphere (& colonies & countries) were always diverse. & the US, for one, will likely continue to be diverse, into the foreseeable future. More due to our demographics than any determined policy.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 04:02 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I think too much diversity is a double edged sword. I recently traveled to England and Ireland and it was interesting.
In these countries one would expect to have a proper experience of being immersed in the culture but that is no longer the case.
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Still back in Ireland it was odd to find ourselves at a castle somewhere in the middle of the country having tea served by a nice young man from the Philippines.

It is sad that the European countries are losing their identity but in my experience the locals don't want to work so in this case the diversity brought about by immigrants is a good thing.
England & Ireland have had a very rancorous relationship for a long time. In fact, Ireland was England's first foreign conquest, I think. & it was very nearly a war of extermination. Between waging war upon & displacing the Irish aristocracy & taking the lands, then driving people off the land for sheep/wool, then the Potato Famine - England forced the Irish Diaspora (or @ least welcomed it). TMK, the Irish in the World pretty much return the favor.

I thought that modern Ireland was trying very hard to retain Gaelic & the culture. They've been through hard economic times lately, & there's yet another cycle of diaspora - that may be affecting the pursuit of deepening Irish culture & language, & spreading the language throughout the entire population. & I'm not sure that tea time was an Irish custom - perhaps the Protestants brought that with them, but tea (what we call tea now, anyway) wasn't/isn't native to Ireland.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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I'll never forget talking to a very wise older family member about how I hated the saying "it takes all kinds" because it really doesn't. To take it outside of race/gender/religion/ect, some of us are good at certain things and terrible at others. The relative told me "It doesn't, but there are all kinds". I.e. you can't get rid of them.


Diversity is mostly bad.I'm going to tell you why. The people who come to other places are the ones who couldn't tough it out or think of a way to change their situation. They came to another place and basically take their problems with them. To make it not about race/ethnicity. Many people retire in a different area (even of the same country) because they don't like that area, but they act as rude in the new area as those they tried to get away from.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Diversity only benefits the wealthy.. Countries with strong middle class are nationalistic, very homogeneous cultures and xenophobic. Just look at all the 1st world countries and look at their race makeup.
I think it depends partly how closely diversity correlates with economic status. If the result of immigration policy, whether by design or otherwise, is that you import an underclass to handle the menial service jobs, then you end up with two completely separate worlds occupying the same ground. I don't think that's a good recipe for positive interaction.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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I think it depends partly how closely diversity correlates with economic status. If the result of immigration policy, whether by design or otherwise, is that you import an underclass to handle the menial service jobs, then you end up with two completely separate worlds occupying the same ground. I don't think that's a good recipe for positive interaction.

Yeah, I think that is a good point. Groups tensions are to some extent natural. We all tend to favor our own group to some degree and we tend to stereotype (often negatively) other groups. But, I think the tensions can be managed when groups are relatively equal in socio-economic status.

The long standing anti-Catholic bias in our country basically fell away as Catholics reached parity with Protestants. No longer wide standing concerns about the lack of a Protestant Work Ethic, bringing Mafia, Socialism, and Anarchy to the US.
 
Old 03-29-2017, 06:58 PM
 
Location: San Gabriel Valley
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Japan, for the good part when it comes to race, religion, etc it is doing very well.
Japan is facing a huge crisis of an elderly population and depopulation, which could very well threaten the social order, and Japan knows it. One reason why America has escaped the same fate is because immigration has made up for lowering birthrates among Americans.
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