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Old 04-19-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Houston area
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That's the problem... most of what is "being done" perpetuates and encourages the problem.

And just to be very clear...
the "problem" is the unplanned and unprepared for conceptions
by those least able to provide for themselves let alone for another.
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What COULD be done to fix it?
Good education generally.
Sex Education in particular.

Effective and uncomplicated birth control. FREE.
Include Pharmaceuticals like Ru486. FREE.
Prompt uncomplicated local access to abortion services. FREE.

CASH rewards to women at age 25 ...who have had NO children.
CASH rewards to women at age 45 ...who have had TWO children (or fewer).
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See? It's not so difficult. Some would say the solution is obvious.
CASH REWARDS FOR MEN WHO WEAR A CONDOM!!! Hello!!
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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CASH REWARDS FOR MEN WHO WEAR A CONDOM!
a) it's not enough b) it misses the point

However sexist it might seem to say it openly... the buck stops with the female.
She gets the responsibility ...she gets the reward.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:30 PM
 
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Do you honestly think that a couple making $30k a year spends the same amount on each child as a couple making $150k? No - there is an incredible range. Kids don't have to have all new clothes and toys and private schools - those are discretionary and you can be danged sure that if you're poor, you don't spend that kind of money.
If you don't have private schools (or are in a very good school system that has no rental units) your kids end up having to walk the halls with thugs and degenerates, that's not a good thing.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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What too few resources?? Go to any gathering or event and see how much water, electricity, paper and food is wasted. That is one of the easiest available samples for everyone to see.

It is ironical for the biggest consumers of everything to say they have too few resources.
Real estate near good jobs is the most scarce resource.
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:39 PM
 
Location: USA
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I agree with the OP. Although it's not only a poor vs. rich problem. There are plenty of people who are financially secure yet horrible parents nonetheless.

I believe that one should not be allowed to have kids without a license from the government. Want to have kids? Then you must prove that you are not suffering from mental health problems, religious delusions, drug addictions, etc. You must also prove employment and a certain minimum income level. Any instances of child emotional/physical abuse will result in "points" on your license (similar to points on a drivers license).
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Old 04-19-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Houston area
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a) it's not enough b) it misses the point

However sexist it might seem to say it openly... the buck stops with the female.
She gets the responsibility ...she gets the reward.
Where is the responsibility when sperm meets egg? So it's okay for men to spread their seed without any obligation. It's much easier for men to not be responsible for anything.

Problems are also caused by nonpoor people!
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Old 04-19-2017, 02:01 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Where is the responsibility when sperm meets egg?
It's in the uterus. When men start carrying and nursing the babies...

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Problems are also caused by non-poor people!
Not really. Well, so long as we equate non-poor with educated.

The better educated a woman is 1) the later she'll have her first child and 2) the fewer overall.
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Old 04-19-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Doubtful. Most of the world's solutions are provided by once poor people who took risks, were constantly challenged and need to overcome obstacles and became good at finding solutions.
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Old 04-19-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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Doubtful. Most of the world's solutions are provided by once poor people who took risks, were constantly challenged and need to overcome obstacles and became good at finding solutions.
By this reasoning, then poor countries with too many people should not be poor because they are so good at overcoming obstacles and finding solutions. But that's not the case. They are still poor.
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Old 04-19-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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I agree with the OP. Although it's not only a poor vs. rich problem. There are plenty of people who are financially secure yet horrible parents nonetheless.

I believe that one should not be allowed to have kids without a license from the government. Want to have kids? Then you must prove that you are not suffering from mental health problems, religious delusions, drug addictions, etc. You must also prove employment and a certain minimum income level. Any instances of child emotional/physical abuse will result in "points" on your license (similar to points on a drivers license).
So who is willing the spend the money to make sure such a law is enforced? I think it has been discussed before why this is morally and practically a foolish idea.

This thread really is simplistic to think that most of the world's problems come from poor people having children and not from the simple human traits of greed and pride that know no socioeconomic class.

Seems like an attempt to make those purge films a reality.
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