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I've made this claim before since I was a Boy Scout and I grew up respecting the 13 bars, 50 stars, the pledge and the anthem. I have for all my life given reverence to the pledge and anthem in my adult life. Any stock car race, any football game, any baseball game, any hockey game (including the Canadian anthem since I am part Canadian) and even high school events.
My claim is: for those complaining about kneeling for the anthem being an attack on the flag, what do you call fans sitting for the anthem, waving a U.S. flag of any condition on a pick-up truck, and cat-calling during the high notes of the anthem?
Fans have long sat for the anthem. I saw it with New York Islander games as far back as 2004. I've also seen fans not stop at all and do whatever during it too. This annoys me far more than kneeling because at least kneeling is a form of reverence.
Waving damaged flags or damaging a flag has always annoyed me. I'm a huge monster truck fan, I still hate it when I see trucks racing or even freestyling with an American flag hanging off the back of the truck. I also hate when I'm going down the road and I see these 'Murican Idiots doing it with their 4x4. Why, because we are supposed to not drop a flag. That again to me is a bigger insult than the kneeling.
Lastly is the cat calls of the anthem. I know you know what I mean. Goto a high school football game, goto a college game, goto a hockey game, goto a football game, goto a baseball game, goto a basketball game, goto a wrestling event, goto a NASCAR race, a monster truck show or whatever and unless it is an instrumental version you hear cat-calling throughout and cheers on the high notes. I roll my eyes at this anytime as I know that minute, minute and a half is spent to honor our country and we should not say a word except singing along if we want. Kneeling don't annoy me the way this does.
The problem many have is that the kneeling was deliberate protest to air players political agendas during ball games where it is long standing tradition to stand for the NA.
The problem many have is that the kneeling was deliberate protest to air players political agendas during ball games where it is long standing tradition to stand for the NA.
As I mentioned fans haven't always observed that and we have also seen people complain that they are disgracing the flag and anthem, not just they are using it for a protest.
The problem many have is that the kneeling was deliberate protest to air players political agendas during ball games where it is long standing tradition to stand for the NA.
How does one bring about change in America? Politics. Makes sense to me.
How does one bring about change in America? Politics. Makes sense to me.
It does to me considering the expanded audience of the Sunday football fans while on a traditional protest, people would complain about them pushing issues with their celebrity if they did not do it on the field (if it got talked about at all.)
How does one bring about change in America? Politics. Makes sense to me.
Not at their job when they are "on the clock". You were once a principle, do you think its ok for yourself or your teachers to bring their political agenda into the classroom? For your teachers during a student program where parents and family have come to see their child preform to take a knee or otherwise show protest for their unrelated political agendas? I know this would not be tolerated in the school system. It wouldn't be tolerated in my job.
There are other avenues to bring about change. The media is a big one. Lobbying your representatives. Community meetings, permitted protests, marches, speeches on college campuses, town halls, a variety of venues.
As I mentioned fans haven't always observed that and we have also seen people complain that they are disgracing the flag and anthem, not just they are using it for a protest.
We do have a right to complain in this country. People are arguing the players have a right to protest and people have a right not to stand for the anthem. I totally agree. People also have a right to voice their opinions over these actions.
Personally I dont observe cat calls or other forms of disrespect while the anthem is being played. If I did my opinion of those people would be negative. I would view it as disrespect or ignorance but at the same time acknowledge their right.
We do have a right to complain in this country. People are arguing the players have a right to protest and people have a right not to stand for the anthem. I totally agree. People also have a right to voice their opinions over these actions.
Personally I dont observe cat calls or other forms of disrespect while the anthem is being played. If I did my opinion of those people would be negative. I would view it as disrespect or ignorance but at the same time acknowledge their right.
I vote that we just discontinue playing the anthem at sports events. Nothing "patriotic" about sports anyway.........
We do have a right to complain in this country. People are arguing the players have a right to protest and people have a right not to stand for the anthem. I totally agree. People also have a right to voice their opinions over these actions.
Personally I dont observe cat calls or other forms of disrespect while the anthem is being played. If I did my opinion of those people would be negative. I would view it as disrespect or ignorance but at the same time acknowledge their right.
So the players don't have that right too? I am seeing a disconnect somewhere here...
So the players don't have that right too? I am seeing a disconnect somewhere here...
You seem to have overlooked: People are arguing the players have a right to protest and people have a right not to stand for the anthem. I totally agree.
As well I have stated my personal issue is that they chose to PROTEST ON THE JOB, at a ball game and in my personal opinion that is not acceptable. Many agree, many dont.
Standing for the anthem during ball games is a near 100 year old tradition. I know a lot of folks especially younger folks dont give a rats hairy behind but many, many people do care about American traditions.
People also care about our individual rights for which the flag represents. But here is the thing, along with rights comes responsibility. We still have a procedure or code or rules that apply for exercising those rights even if they are unspoken or unwritten as it would be.
While they have every right to protest, it is bad form to do it during the NA at their place of employment and a place people come NOT to see your political agenda. If they just dont want to stand for the anthem they are permitted to stay off the field until its over. No one disputes that right.
So there is no disconnect here.
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