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Old 02-10-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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I would say that being unable to get a full security clearance would impact one's ability to do their White House job.
Hahah - Trump's SIL, Jared Kushner, can't get clearance and he gets to access to quite a lot.

I dunno - does being an abuser fall under the category of moral turpitude for a civil servant or having to be "un-blackmailable"? For that matter, isn't domestic violence also criminal assault? It's not like the old days when you could give your spouse "love taps" and it wasn't breaking the law. So merit should trump breaking the law?
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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The one thing the Trump administration stands for is not buckling to politically correct tripe. We have a process in this country. When Rob Porter is tried and convicted by a jury of his peers.. yup... no question she should then not be working for the white house. Until then unsubstantiated rumors and shaming is just that unsubstantiated and thus, nothing.

The Trump Administration stands for the rule of law.. not social justice. I am disappointed in Kelly for one moment considering resigning over this. He might want out anyway.

I am a woman and if anyone beat or otherwise to me I would go to the authorities and wait my day in court. Not expect the world to sway at a my unsubstantiated allegations.

My god what are they teaching in schools these days?

Ever read the Crucible? Geeze.
Your political bias is showing front and center. The fact that they would hire Porter without a clearance shows how much respect they have for the rule of law.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Your political bias is showing front and center. The fact that they would hire Porter without a clearance shows how much respect they have for the rule of law.
Turns out like 1/2 the staff doesn't have a security clearance. I am sure there is a deep state delay. And like you posts are politically neutral.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:40 AM
 
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Turns out like 1/2 the staff doesn't have a security clearance. I am sure there is a deep state delay. And like you posts are politically neutral.
So you want there to be a proper investigation before a decision is made on Porter. That isn't illogical.

But your belief in this deep state conspiracy theory nonsense makes it impossible to have any sort constructive discussion.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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And maybe all these clearances prevent us from hiring the best people for the job? Or am I behind the times for wanting the best and the brightest?
So to you, abusers are among the "best"?

This is not as easy as a lot of people want to make it. Few issues are.

First, if everyone who is "disreputable" in one way or another are fired or not hired, we're going to have a HUGE unemployment issue in this nation, the likes of which we have not seen since the Great Depression. There are lots of not very nice people in this world.

Second, but there are some jobs where it doesn't matter so much. I don't much care who works at the local bottling plant, or is a UPS driver, or sorts the mail, or works on my carburetor. But I do care who works in my child's school, or who has a supervisory role over women, or who sits in Congress or the White House or the Supreme Court. Some of those are based on practicality, others because of wanting the best and brightest in the leadership of our nation. We don't need competent slime as our leaders.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Hahah - Trump's SIL, Jared Kushner, can't get clearance and he gets to access to quite a lot.

I dunno - does being an abuser fall under the category of moral turpitude for a civil servant or having to be "un-blackmailable"? For that matter, isn't domestic violence also criminal assault? It's not like the old days when you could give your spouse "love taps" and it wasn't breaking the law. So merit should trump breaking the law?
I would imagine this is at least part of the reason why he can't get a full clearance.

The allegations are not something that just recently popped up, and they are not only one woman who could be seen as trying to hurt his career or the current administration. The restraining order was in 2010 I think and multiple women over the course of several years have similar stories.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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So you want there to be a proper investigation before a decision is made on Porter. That isn't illogical.

Porter resigned, he was not fired.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The one thing the Trump administration stands for is not buckling to politically correct tripe. We have a process in this country. When Rob Porter is tried and convicted by a jury of his peers.. yup... no question she should then not be working for the white house. Until then unsubstantiated rumors and shaming is just that unsubstantiated and thus, nothing.

The Trump Administration stands for the rule of law.. not social justice. I am disappointed in Kelly for one moment considering resigning over this. He might want out anyway.

I am a woman and if anyone beat or otherwise to me I would go to the authorities and wait my day in court. Not expect the world to sway at a my unsubstantiated allegations.

My god what are they teaching in schools these days?

Ever read the Crucible? Geeze.
What exactly is wrong with "social justice"?
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Originally Posted by EmilyFoxSeaton View Post
The one thing the Trump administration stands for is not buckling to politically correct tripe. We have a process in this country. When Rob Porter is tried and convicted by a jury of his peers.. yup... no question she should then not be working for the white house. Until then unsubstantiated rumors and shaming is just that unsubstantiated and thus, nothing.

The Trump Administration stands for the rule of law.. not social justice. I am disappointed in Kelly for one moment considering resigning over this. He might want out anyway.

I am a woman and if anyone beat or otherwise to me I would go to the authorities and wait my day in court. Not expect the world to sway at a my unsubstantiated allegations.

My god what are they teaching in schools these days?

Ever read the Crucible? Geeze.
And presumably, if such unsubstantiated accusations were made against you, you'd stand by your denial and await due process instead of resigning correct?
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Your political bias is showing front and center. The fact that they would hire Porter without a clearance shows how much respect they have for the rule of law.
ding ding ding
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