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Old 02-22-2018, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You're not paying attention, then.

What have I done? I've never treated somebody poorly because of their color. Never have, never will. That's the most somebody in my position can do, really. I don't own a business and I don't have much money. So I offer what I can, which is simply to treat everybody as an individual.

I also promote the message that you refuse to internalize. One that, sadly, I suspect that if I were black you'd actually listen to.

You've really done nothing other than make yourself look bad.
Being polite does not promote unity. That's just good basic manners.
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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By enacting the same exact unethical practices of racial discrimination?

If you support racial discrimination, you support racial discrimination.
If you really understand American history, it's not "the same exact unethical practices".
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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"Societal karma?" What a load of horse manure.

I can understand hiring people from a variety of backgrounds for some jobs which deal with the public. A white male medical doctor is probably a fine doctor, but if a woman feels more comfortable talking about personal medical problems with a female doctor, then fair enough.

If your kid in school is more comfortable knowing that there is someone who speaks her native tongue, maybe looks like her, and has her cultural background, that's understandable. Of course, every student there would probably feel the same way, so ideally the percentage of staff from each background would match up with the percentage of those students were actually at the school.

But, not all jobs are the type that require this kind of sensitivity. Sometimes they just need someone who is skilled at what they do.

I hear about people of color not being considered for a job because they used an "ethnic" sounding name in their application and when they change their name to something more "white" name they get more interviews and so forth. I know this sort of garbage happens and it needs to stop.

But what also happens is that someone who has worked hard, hasn't been given a lot of advantages in life (maybe their family was very poor) is overlooked because their color is white. This is also garbage that needs to stop. That white person from the poor family background shouldn't have to pay "societal karma." Total BS. This kind of BS breeds a lot of resentment and that isn't good for anyone. People only put up with so much of it and then they push back. Sometimes they push back using the ballot box.
Really? Do you even know what karma is? I'll answer for you -- no, you don't.
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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Really? Do you even know what karma is? I'll answer for you -- no, you don't.
the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.

destiny or fate, following as effect from cause.


And there's this. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/12-la...life-papul-chd

Rather than playing games about what karma is, you tell us what you think it means. Then explain what societal karma is.

Tell me how you can know the karma of someone you don't know and have never met and have no idea of their background. Now tell me how that can apply to a whole race. Karma for a race or a whole group of people? Tell me, how does that work.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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White kids born in the late 90's-early 2000's founded the ivies? Did you personally establish these schools? That's the first mistake you are making here claiming ownership to these institutions simply because you are of the same race as those who did.
Did black kids born in the late 90s-early 2000s found historical black colleges that they are over 90% of the admissions still, or for that matter the rest of the white colleges and universities that they claim the right to equal representation?

I guess what's ours is yours and what's yours is yours.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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How do you even know that? Perhaps others did better on the test, perhaps your resume wasn't quite as good.
How do you know? Every time I did get privy to more info about who was hired the more it was clear racial and gender identity and diversity policies was the explanation. Since there's affirmative action and diversity programs it's very suspect.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.

destiny or fate, following as effect from cause.


And there's this. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/12-la...life-papul-chd

Rather than playing games about what karma is, you tell us what you think it means. Then explain what societal karma is.

Tell me how you can know the karma of someone you don't know and have never met and have no idea of their background. Now tell me how that can apply to a whole race. Karma for a race or a whole group of people? Tell me, how does that work.
What you're using is a westernized version of karma. There is not some magical guy in the sky (which is what you, as a Christian like to believe) who dispenses karma.

Karma is actually much more simple than that. For every action you or a society take, there is likely to be a reaction. It may sometimes be good (which is often referred to as "bun"), but we more often talk about the negatives.

So, to it simply (which apparently I must do), Action: Whites in this country inflicted slavery. Reaction: Blacks often disdain Whites. Action: Whites in this country inflicted Jim Crow and lynchings of Blacks at an unprecedented level. Reaction: Blacks never completely forgive these actions and we have the riots of the 1960s. I could go on, but if you don't get it with those simple examples, you'll never understand the more complex examples.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How do you know? Every time I did get privy to more info about who was hired the more it was clear racial and gender identity and diversity policies was the explanation. Since there's affirmative action and diversity programs it's very suspect.
Private companies are not required to have an affirmative action or diversity program. If they do, they do it for the good of the company.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:51 PM
 
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That's a very entertaining comment. But I don't see Canada having many of the same societal problems that the United States has.
Oh, I'm sure that you would be surprised then
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:51 PM
 
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Pretty easy to dispute. The Ivy Leagues schools are still, on average, 45-55 percent white. The largest minority grouping all of these schools are Asians.
Yes but non-Hispanic whites are about 65% of the population and are known to have good grades and SAT scores or merit. Over 20% of the whites admitted are Jewish, a recognized ethnic identity group that's 2% of the population. So 62% of the population which is non-Hispanic, non-Jewish white is only about 30% of the admissions and very underrepresented. Diversity just means less non-Hispanic, non-Jewish whites.

I agree Asians are way overrepresented second only to Jews. It appears it's chopping off whites by the top with ostensibly merit (or just preferences) overrepresentation for Asians and Jews, and chopping off whites by the bottom with affirmative action for blacks and Hispanics. In white's own schools they founded mind you.
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