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Retreat!
Until someone can out run a bullet,retreat works in staying out of harms way.
And to the Leo's of the community,keep serving the public .I'm not so ignorant to believe you are trained to impede. Far too many civilians have been murdered from this ' impede' method. Just ask the lady who filmed her guy being murdered by an officer after being pulled over.
I don't excercise all the rights in the Constitution because it's not essential most times. Voting is a joke in my area. The repubs run the area ...so us outlingers are of no consequence in them securing a place in politics.
I can drink if I want but I don't excercise that right either. Must a person be mandated simply because it's written...sorry folks I just can't buy into the excersing rights mentality...when it comes to safety it can be had without the loss of life.
Which leaves those on the inside being attacked the only ones who can defend themselves. They are the ones that have to act to survive. They need the tools and training to do so.
Using this guys logic HE should be castrated. He obviously visits schools and the numbers of children being molested are higher than the numbers being killed in school shootings.
<>He could just as well have been trying to buy a Remington Model 742 semi-automatic in .30-06 caliber, or a Browning semi-automatic in 7mm Magnum. Those would be actual high-powered rifles, not some little aluminum and plastic .22 caliber ugly thing.
Shhhhh!
I'd like to keep those suggestions quiet for two reasons.
1. We don't want the crazies to know there are better choices if killing is a goal.
2. We don't want the anti gunners worried about real hunting rifles. "Be vewwy vewwy qwi-ute"
Old quote: When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
New quote: When seconds count, the police are only minutes away, but don't expect any help until the carnage is over with.
Actually it should be "When seconds count the police are there but refuse to act until it's safe for them".
They want to go home to their families that night...
I'm retired military and retired LE and from the LE perspective I can assure you we were not trained to kill. Every weapon system we employed had what was called a minimum response. That was the number of rounds fired once someone was identified as a threat. For the Glock 22, which is a common pistol in LE, the minimum response was two rounds to center mass. The idea was to neutralize the threat, not kill a person. Once you fire two rounds to center mass, you go to the guard position and evaluate your surroundings to ensure there are no other threats. If the person no longer presents a threat, you don't fire any more rounds. If the person is still a threat, you reengage. So please don't spread misinformation about how police shoot to kill.
If what you say is true, (and I have no reason to doubt that it is) I'd love to know why in many reports the cops have emptied their magazines or, my favorite that over 100 rounds were fired at ONE dirtbag aka " a hail of bullets".
If what you say is true, (and I have no reason to doubt that it is) I'd love to know why in many reports the cops have emptied their magazines or, my favorite that over 100 rounds were fired at ONE dirtbag aka " a hail of bullets".
Almost every time I see that, I cringe. The one that absolutely flabbergasted me was the one in Chicago with the teen holding a knife. PD is already on scene, but another officer rolls up and seconds later unloads his entire magazine. What the hell was he thinking?! He was immediately fired and charged with murder. I don't know which 100 round incident you're referring to, but the one in Oklahoma where one trooper fired several magazines through his windshield at a fleeing suspect and then four or five officers fired numerous rounds was the only way they were stopping this perp. He had already murdered several people and had shot two police officers. He just needed to be stopped before he reached a populated area. So sometimes you need to fire 100 rounds. The latter incident occurred at night and officers were dependent on a FLIR-equipped helicopter to provide them with intel on the perp.
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Almost every time I see that, I cringe. The one that absolutely flabbergasted me was the one in Chicago with the teen holding a knife. PD is already on scene, but another officer rolls up and seconds later unloads his entire magazine. What the hell was he thinking?! He was immediately fired and charged with murder. I don't know which 100 round incident you're referring to, but the one in Oklahoma where one trooper fired several magazines through his windshield at a fleeing suspect and then four or five officers fired numerous rounds was the only way they were stopping this perp. He had already murdered several people and had shot two police officers. He just needed to be stopped before he reached a populated area. So sometimes you need to fire 100 rounds. The latter incident occurred at night and officers were dependent on a FLIR-equipped helicopter to provide them with intel on the perp.
It shocked me as it happens more than one might think.
Here's a few notable ones:
If what you say is true, (and I have no reason to doubt that it is) I'd love to know why in many reports the cops have emptied their magazines or, my favorite that over 100 rounds were fired at ONE dirtbag aka " a hail of bullets".
I hunt with cops so their "marksmanship" skills don't surprise me.
Shhhhh!
I'd like to keep those suggestions quiet for two reasons.
1. We don't want the crazies to know there are better choices if killing is a goal.
2. We don't want the anti gunners worried about real hunting rifles. "Be vewwy vewwy qwi-ute"
You mean, like the Remington 700 BDL in .308 Winchester, favored by some as a sniper rifle (and a variant purchased by the Army for that purpose) using basically the same round as the M60 machine gun?
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Originally Posted by jimj
If what you say is true, (and I have no reason to doubt that it is) I'd love to know why in many reports the cops have emptied their magazines or, my favorite that over 100 rounds were fired at ONE dirtbag aka " a hail of bullets".
Because many cops can't shoot for spit. When my wife became a cop I had to teach her to shoot, because the training she received at the Academy fell far short of what one needs to know to be reasonably competent. I knew one [former] cop, who when he retired turned in his gun...it had to be cut out of the holster because it had NEVER been removed since the day it was issued to him.
Some cops are only slightly more proficient than your average gang-bangers- I know of one gunfight between two rival gangs where more than 200 rounds were fired...with only *one* (non-fatal) hit. The rest of the slugs mostly went into the walls of the nearby apartment buildings, a few went through windows but didn't hit any people inside.
The citizen doesn't live in the People's Republic Of Maryland.
What I'd like to see is the cops having satellite offices in schools. There seems to be armed security everywhere except schools where our most precious assets spend a good part of their day. Shame that it has come to this but the 1950s are gone forever.
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