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Old 02-27-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Still semi-auto weapons.
And the point? Ban all semi-autos?
That is the lefts agenda that the right tries to counter. Give an inch and they keep wanting more. That's why its always ultimatums no matter how "common sense" a gun control measure sounds, it will be put down.
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Old 02-27-2018, 02:59 PM
 
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And the point? Ban all semi-autos?
That is the lefts agenda that the right tries to counter. Give an inch and they keep wanting more. That's why its always ultimatums no matter how "common sense" a gun control measure sounds, it will be put down.
Where did I say ban anything? The poster mentioned the use of pistols. I just pointed out that all pistols aren't created equal. The VT shooting involved semi auto pistols.

More damage is always done with semi and automatic weapons. That's just truth.
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Old 02-27-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Right off the bat, the first thought is that you don't *have* an automatic weapon- you most likely have neither the resources nor finances to obtain one. Automatic weapons, whether obtained legally or illegally, tend to be very expensive. The fact that you wrote something like this shows that you [currently] lack the appropriate knowledge and education to properly discuss the matter. This is not a slight or an insult, you simply do not have the necessary information...but that can be corrected if you wish to learn.

First lesson:

An automatic weapon, such as an assault weapon, machine gun or sub-machine gun fires continuously as long as the trigger is held down (until it runs out of cartridges).

A semi-automatic weapon fires only *one* round when the trigger is pressed, and the trigger must be released and pressed again to fire each subsequent round.

Now, making the assumption that you are thinking of an AR-15, which is a semi-automatic rifle that can be extremely accurate (in skilled hands) and fine for hunting, you should not have been able to just walk into a school with one. Even the short-barreled carbine models are rather large and difficult to conceal (as compared to a pistol). *Someone* should have been present and able to observe you attempting to enter the school with it.
Wrong....the very idea that someone doesn't call a semi-automatic by the technically correct name after seeing the damage it does has no impact at all on these arguments. Stop dismissing people because of semantics. Knock off the smugness. Politicians aren't scientists, or doctors, or accountants, etc. and somehow they manage to find experts who can iron out these semantics and work out laws that can be sensible.

BTW, I DO know the difference between a semi-automatic and an automatic. And let's just say that after seeing the carnage of a semi-automatic in multiple mass shootings, I know that I don't want them in schools or any public property...and I'd actually like to take yours away too, but I'll hold off on that. Since you know the terminology so well you're obviously not gonna shoot up a school...right?
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Old 02-27-2018, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Virginia-Shenandoah Valley
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That's not the narrative being used by those suggesting we arm teachers. The language being used is indicating that armed staff will somehow PREVENT school shootings as shooters would be too afraid of getting shot.

Shooters don't care one bit about getting shot.
Yeah right. That's why the Parkland shooter took off on foot.
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Old 02-27-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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So how/where diid you get an automatic weapon?
Maybe he had an extra 25k and didn't mind the ATF anal probe?
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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As a teacher I would be happy to be armed... When you pay me an School Resource Officer salary on top of what I already make. I ain't taking that risk for free.
Wait...what? How does being equipped to defend yourself (and others) against a gunman put you at risk? Do you think said gunman will spare your life simply because you're not armed? We have overwhelming evidence to the contrary in the form of dozens of UNARMED children and school personnel being gunned down. Your post makes no sense.
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Old 02-28-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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The worst school shooting (Virginia Tech), was done with two pistols.
AR-15s were used in Parkland, San Bernardino, Sutherland, Newton, Las Vegas and Aurora. How long does the list have to get?
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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School shootings are a form of terrorism and like terrorism the terrorist only has to be right once to kill whereas we have to be right all the time 24/7 to keep people from being killed.


The same goes for criminals that mug people or rob stores. A person can be going about their day and in seconds they become a victim.

There is no stopping it just as there is no stopping a evil person intent on murdering innocent people at a school.

They could take away all guns, swords, axes, knives, baseball bats with barbed wire wrapped around them, bomb making materials such as bleach, chlorine, gasoline and pointed sticks and evil will still find a way.

Everything that could be used as a weapon could be banned and what would stop the deranged killer from forcing his way onto a school bus with a fork and going seat to seat to stab the kids in the neck or driving that bus over a cliff?

I say that schools should have a locked box in classrooms that contain a gun and a teacher that is trained on how to use that gun. A shooter breaks through the check point at the front door, the alarm goes off and the school goes into lockdown. The teacher secures the class room door, retrieves the gun from the locked case and takes a position by the door while the kids get down in the back of the classroom. If the shooter decides to kick in the door the teacher shoots him.
There is no stopping evil.
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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Wait...what? How does being equipped to defend yourself (and others) against a gunman put you at risk? Do you think said gunman will spare your life simply because you're not armed? We have overwhelming evidence to the contrary in the form of dozens of UNARMED children and school personnel being gunned down. Your post makes no sense.
I guess the teacher's first shot had better be lethal because he would certainly draw fire to himself by making that shot!
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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School shootings are a form of terrorism and like terrorism the terrorist only has to be right once to kill whereas we have to be right all the time 24/7 to keep people from being killed.


The same goes for criminals that mug people or rob stores. A person can be going about their day and in seconds they become a victim.

There is no stopping it just as there is no stopping a evil person intent on murdering innocent people at a school.

They could take away all guns, swords, axes, knives, baseball bats with barbed wire wrapped around them, bomb making materials such as bleach, chlorine, gasoline and pointed sticks and evil will still find a way.

Everything that could be used as a weapon could be banned and what would stop the deranged killer from forcing his way onto a school bus with a fork and going seat to seat to stab the kids in the neck or driving that bus over a cliff?

I say that schools should have a locked box in classrooms that contain a gun and a teacher that is trained on how to use that gun. A shooter breaks through the check point at the front door, the alarm goes off and the school goes into lockdown. The teacher secures the class room door, retrieves the gun from the locked case and takes a position by the door while the kids get down in the back of the classroom. If the shooter decides to kick in the door the teacher shoots him.
There is no stopping evil.
Yes, evil will find a way. How many people can you kill by throwing bleach on them? Yes, you could blind and maim a few...you're not going to kill 20. Same with a knife....same with a pistol. Limit the lethality...limit the damage. Yeah...give him a pointy stick instead a semi automatic.
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