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Old 03-30-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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The organized political organizations that are turning more anti-Semitic are on the left. US Democrats, UK Labor.

A few scattered skin-heads are irrelevant.

As I said, in Europe some of the Rightist parties are in danger of falling into anti-Semitic ways.
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Of course you will trying to downplay this because the right is full of virtuous and righteous people.
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Old 03-30-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Mirielle Kroll, an 85 year old Holocaust survivor was murdered by neighbors alleged because she was Jewish. The brutal killing of a Holocaust survivor raises anti-Semitism fears in France. She was stabbed 11 times and then left to die in her house, which the killers set ablaze. This was not the only such incident. An Orthodox Jewish woman in her sixties was thrown out of the window of her Paris flat by a neighbor shouting “Allahu Akhbar.”Thousands march in Paris in memory of murdered Holocaust survivor.

According to a recent NY Times article,In France, Officer Slain After Swapping Places With Hostage Is Hailed as Hero, "France mourned a police officer who died of his injuries after swapping places with a hostage held by a gunman claiming allegiance to the Islamic State."

After the U.S. and Israel, France, with 460,000 Jews has the third highest number of Jew of any country. The question remains, why are they remaining in France or for that matter anywhere in Continental Europe? France has, to be sure, brief intervals of liberalism. The first few years of the French revolutionary period, some of the years of Napolean's reign, and the period from 1945 to the early 1960's come to mind.

However, France is also the land of the DREYFUS CASE ("L'Affaire Dreyfus"), and notable collaboration with the Nazis by the Vichy Government and in the areas directly occupied by the Nazis. The current and recent governments indeed seem well intentioned. Former PM Valls was quoted in an Atlantic Magazine article as follows:
The problem, this time around is not France's government; it is recent Islamist immigrants. It is not possible, unless the Government wants an internal war, to really bring matters under control. French troops cannot surround each synagogue, each Kosher market or now, as we learn from the Kroll murder, each private house.

Other European countries such as Belgium, Denmark and Sweden have experienced similar strife. The Great Debate question is whether the Jewish people can safely exist and build a life and a community anywhere besides Israel, the U.S., Canada & Australia?

I believe the answer is a firm "no."
If I was born and raised in France or America, I would call myself French or American. Not a Buddhist or Christian or Hindu.

As long as people build their identities around their religion, things will continue to be as it is.
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Old 03-30-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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The biggest challenge for the continuity of Jewry in the U.S. is not violence, but inter-marriage and assimilation (except for the Hasidim). In mixed marriages, only in Boston do non-Jewish converts to Judaism outnumber Jews abandoning their faith traditions. Also, it's hard to keep children of mixed marriages in the fold. They are less likely to identify with Judaism. Of those who do, self-identifying Jews with two Jewish parents tend not to accept people of mixed *race* as legitimately Jewish. So, where do mixed folk go? They are lost to Jewry.
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:10 PM
 
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Really? and where's your proof that the anti-semitism on the left is worse than the right? Or is this another blame the left for every bad thing that happens comment with no substance?
Reading comprehension not your strong suit, eh? Why don't you go reread my post that you quoted.
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:11 PM
 
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Reading comprehension not your strong suit, eh? Why don't you go reread my post that you quoted.
Your post isn't that hard to read. You have nothing to back up what you say. Don't think you weren't going to get called out for it.
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Mexico City (at the moment)
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If I was born and raised in France or America, I would call myself French or American. Not a Buddhist or Christian or Hindu.
Most people do that, but not all. Jews (and Judaism) seem to be more closely interelated as ethnicity, race, and faith, more so than most others.

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As long as people build their identities around their religion, things will continue to be as it is.
For many people of faith, their faith alone trumps nationality. Islam is a good example of that.
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:31 PM
 
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The biggest challenge for the continuity of Jewry in the U.S. is not violence, but inter-marriage and assimilation (except for the Hasidim). In mixed marriages, only in Boston do non-Jewish converts to Judaism outnumber Jews abandoning their faith traditions. Also, it's hard to keep children of mixed marriages in the fold. They are less likely to identify with Judaism. Of those who do, self-identifying Jews with two Jewish parents tend not to accept people of mixed *race* as legitimately Jewish. So, where do mixed folk go? They are lost to Jewry.
I personally know many secular people who identify as being a Jew. Are they lost to Jewry?
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:38 PM
 
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I personally know many secular people who identify as being a Jew. Are they lost to Jewry?
Most young Jews in this country marry non-Jews these days. Their children may be lost because they don't feel connected to the Jewish people in any meaningful way.
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Old 03-30-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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France has a healthy jewish population, the largest in Europe. Many of them have dual french-israeli citizenship. Like in the US they are overrepresented in the media, business and politics (2 french presidents were jewish, Sarkozy and Leon Bloom) and there would not be any issues for Jews in France if it was not for the very large presence of Arabs. To be fair, in France Jews and Arabs express mutual hate towards each other and often clash. The crime the OP refers to, and a few others were perpretrated by non Arabs however this is marginal. In most french cities outside of Paris you will never see anyone walking around with a kippa. In Paris there is more tolerance as surprisingly enough Jews and Arabs actually live in the same areas (but royally ignore each other). Their children go to separate schools however as Arab kids go to public schools and jewish kids go to jewish schools.
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Old 03-30-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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I personally know many secular people who identify as being a Jew. Are they lost to Jewry?
The nice thing about the Jewish identity is that it is both religious and ethnic /or/ religious or ethnic.
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