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Old 03-30-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Better questions are: Will Israel ever stop murdering Palestinians?

And

Why is Israel's genocidal aggression toward the Palestinian people not condemned by the United States and all decent human beings in every country?

And,

Why does the US continue to lick Israel's buttocks?
In Syria one can see the truth and with Palestinians their truth is a lie. Are you that blind to not be able to see that?
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Better questions are: Will Israel ever stop murdering Palestinians?

And

Why is Israel's genocidal aggression toward the Palestinian people not condemned by the United States and all decent human beings in every country?

And,

Why does the US continue to lick Israel's buttocks?
The topic and Great Debate question is about the future of the Jews outside the English speaking world and Israel. If you don't believe that the Jews should have a future that is a topic for debate but not on this thread.

But the fact that your post may seem out of the mainstream demonstrates that we in the U.S. support Jews and Israel, by and large. But as you illustrate that support is not unanimous.
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Old 03-30-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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The Great Debate question is whether the Jewish people can safely exist and build a life and a community anywhere besides Israel, the U.S., Canada & Australia?

I believe the answer is a firm "no."
You left out all of Latin America.

My neighborhood I live in here in Mexico City is heavily Jewish. They get along fine with the other Mexicans, and vice versa.

I go to my nearest Costco only on Saturdays (Shabat), because it is empty, lol......

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Old 03-30-2018, 11:10 AM
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Sure they can. England, Wales, Ireland, Mexico, New Zealand, Japan, etc. just to name a few. It's a big planet. Some may be better choices than others, but it's do-able.
England is not great for Jews, although it hasn't seen the physical attacks and murders that France has. The de rigueur PC position is that Jews, not just Israel, are on the wrong side of the fence regarding Palestine and that's that. Go to any UK college or university if you want to see that. England is a pretty PC-beholden country, and its still best keeping your head down if Jewish.


Wales, not so PC-imprisoned, even though its part of the UK.
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Old 03-30-2018, 11:14 AM
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Better questions are: Will Israel ever stop murdering Palestinians?

And

Why is Israel's genocidal aggression toward the Palestinian people not condemned by the United States and all decent human beings in every country?

And,

Why does the US continue to lick Israel's buttocks?


And even better question is does the world need yet another islamist country?
That'll be good for humanity. That's just what it needs. I mean its working out great for human rights in all the rest of them so far.
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Old 03-30-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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England is getting more dangerous, too. One of its major political parties is lead by a man who might be an anti-Semite.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...mitism/556775/

America also might be trending anti-Jewish. At the last Democratic convention most delegates voice-voted against Israel's right to exist, which was covered up only by the machinations of the Party chair. The Party's old Eastern European flavor socialism is being replaced by a newer 3rd world oriented one.

Historically Jews have been targeted by the Right. This is well known and true. Jews were accused of being left-wing oriented, which was also true and was one of the reasons the Right resented them.

Now, the ire against Jews is sourced more from the Left. The Left's anti-nationstate traits have come out, including against Israel. More, the Left supports the Palestinians as one of the oppressed peoples it likes.

With the Left's reorientation along an anti-Semitic axis, regimes that once tolerated Jews might be replaced by ones that don't.

There are also Rightist groups, especially in Europe, that are resurgent and might tumble into their bad old ways.
It's mostly 'the left'?

Oh, sure! It's those all-white, anti-Semitic, Nazi-saluting, white-hooded, Confederate flag-waving 'leftists'!











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Old 03-30-2018, 12:39 PM
 
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Hulsker... Do you know you didn't refute anything that was posted?

I have no idea if there is more anti-semitism on the political left or right, but showing examples of anti-semitism on the right does nothing to disprove the statement that most anti-semitism comes from the left.
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Old 03-30-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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It's mostly 'the left'?

Oh, sure! It's those all-white, anti-Semitic, Nazi-saluting, white-hooded, Confederate flag-waving 'leftists'!
The organized political organizations that are turning more anti-Semitic are on the left. US Democrats, UK Labor.

A few scattered skin-heads are irrelevant.

As I said, in Europe some of the Rightist parties are in danger of falling into anti-Semitic ways.
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Old 03-30-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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Hulsker... Do you know you didn't refute anything that was posted?

I have no idea if there is more anti-semitism on the political left or right, but showing examples of anti-semitism on the right does nothing to disprove the statement that most anti-semitism comes from the left.
Really? and where's your proof that the anti-semitism on the left is worse than the right? Or is this another blame the left for every bad thing that happens comment with no substance?
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Old 03-30-2018, 01:01 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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You left out all of Latin America.

My neighborhood I live in here in Mexico City is heavily Jewish. They get along fine with the other Mexicans, and vice versa.

I go to my nearest Costco only on Saturdays (Shabat), because it is empty, lol......
Trouble with Mexico and all Latin American countries except, maybe, Chile is they are one gunshot away from a violent transfer of power. And in Argentina, in 1994, a Jewish center bombing (that) casts shadow over Argentine politics 23 years on happened. A prosecutor was appointed in 2003. Then this transpired (link to source):

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Alberto Nisman was appointed special prosecutor by Kirchner’s husband, then president Nestor Kirchner, and he quickly showed his investigation would be far-reaching.
On his request, British authorities in 2003 arrested Iran’s former ambassador to Buenos Aires, Hadi Soleimanpour, but he was released on bail for lack of evidence.

In 2015, Nisman’s body was found in his Buenos Aires apartment with a gunshot wound to the head, delivered at close range from a handgun found at his side.
I wouldn't exactly call Cristina Kirshner's complicity in the cover-up of the bombing a reassuring omen in Latin America for a Jewish future. Or, for that matter, their earlier sanctuary for Adolph Eichmann and numerous other Nazis.
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