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And in all those 71 years you never once stole a single thing? Everyone steals, whether it's something big or a pen at work. So I guess virtually every person writing in this thread should have been shot to death.
Sorry, but your weak attempt @ reductio ad absurdum won't cut it.
There's lots of stories out there, but at what point is it ok to defend your store or business? People will hear of the one beer...but how many times has this gone on? At what point does an owner take a more active defense against a problem, or a chronic problem?
Where do criminals draw the line when they steal property? At what point does a thief take a more active role when confronted by a victim who doesn't want to cooperate?
And in all those 71 years you never once stole a single thing? Everyone steals, whether it's something big or a pen at work. So I guess virtually every person writing in this thread should have been shot to death.
Well, your argument is diffused by simple logic. Most people are lucky enough not to get shot... but then again, homeowners aren't obligated to shoot you for stealing their property. So..... you take your chances.
Worked security for years off and on and one of the gigs we had to take a oral test in a group of people taking a class.
Here was the question she asked the class:
You see 2 or 3 people headed towards the store and they are armed, what do you do?
1. Call the cops?
2. Shoot the first guy as soon he walks though the door?
Before I answer think about this. Your one of the guys about to rob the place and you see the guard with a gun standing there, what do you do? You know he's got the legal right to shoot you down and with that in mind, what are you going to do?
You shoot the guard first as soon as you walk in the door. For the guard whose standing there you shoot the first person dead bang as soon as they enter the store. Why? Because they were going to kill you and the owner and by shooter the first one though the door odds are when you shoot the first one the second is going to run.
Worked security for years off and on and one of the gigs we had to take a oral test in a group of people taking a class.
Here was the question she asked the class:
You see 2 or 3 people headed towards the store and they are armed, what do you do?
1. Call the cops?
2. Shoot the first guy as soon he walks though the door?
Before I answer think about this. Your one of the guys about to rob the place and you see the guard with a gun standing there, what do you do? You know he's got the legal right to shoot you down and with that in mind, what are you going to do?
You shoot the guard first as soon as you walk in the door. For the guard whose standing there you shoot the first person dead bang as soon as they enter the store. Why? Because they were going to kill you and the owner and by shooter the first one though the door odds are when you shoot the first one the second is going to run.
End of story.
End of story?
What about the robber(s) see the armed guard, and then decide it isnt worth it?
And in all those 71 years you never once stole a single thing? Everyone steals, whether it's something big or a pen at work. So I guess virtually every person writing in this thread should have been shot to death.
I hate this argument.
It is asinine and used to justify bad behavior at every turn.
No. Not everybody has stolen. Not everyone drinks and drives. Not everyone speeds. Not everyone cheats.
It's not true and even if it were true, it is not a logical argument.
What about the robber(s) see the armed guard, and then decide it isnt worth it?
Perhaps they don't see the guard until it's too late, or maybe they decide that the guard will just put their hands up and give up thinking that the guard doesn't want to be shot. Maybe the know how much money is in the till and it's worth the risk.
In some cases as you stated they might turn around and walk away.
Perhaps they don't see the guard until it's too late, or maybe they decide that the guard will just put their hands up and give up thinking that the guard doesn't want to be shot. Maybe the know how much money is in the till and it's worth the risk.
In some cases as you stated they might turn around and walk away.
That is all true.
Here is a guy that didnt do his homework, and saw the guard too late....
The guard got the drop, even pulling against a drawn firearm. This was a win.
The angle with a no knock warrent is they are confident they can subdue you, if they cant its their a$$. I would kill the whole swat team if I had the means. And of course if you have the means to do that then what exactly are they going to do about it? Send in the national gaurd?
There is very high odds that a SWAT team doing a no-knock is going to kill you anyway, unless you're actually a bad guy, know what's happening from the first moment, were halfway expecting it anyway, and know how to immediately make the right move to keep from being killed.
If you happen to be innocent so that such things are totally out of your experience, you will probably do the wrong thing and get shot. The police will go, "Ooops, wrong address. Sorry."
This reminds me of that poor guy who was a victim of "swatting" recently, by some a** from an online game they played. That was much more than no knock warrant, that was shoot to kill the second the guy opens the door, with his family inside. Shoot first, determine he's an innocent man later. This is the problem with an increasingly trigger-happy attitude. I've read several stories where people shot their own children because they thought it was an intruder.
You conflated two totally different situations.
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