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Old 06-23-2018, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I agree. But unfortunately, it starts at the top. The POTUS receives no negative consequences for his actions, even for those actions that are are illegal, violate the Constitution, violate the norms of a modern civilized society, or violate the norms of American morality.

When the rest of the country sees that the elected President can do whatever he wants with no consequences, of course the rest of the country feels they should have no consequences either. Kind of like a role model thing?

Instead of consequences now, it appears that if one can get away with one's actions, they are being 'smart.' And when any politicians with morals goes against the party line, they are 'primaried' or voted out, so consequences for showing a backbone and sticking to principles can actually be viewed as punishment.

This is a cultural shift in American morality, and I don't see it changing as long as we are on the road we are on with the current leaders in power. We are living in a society where 'consequences' are not defined as being punished for not doing the right thing. Consequences may be punishment for doing the right thing.

I think we can safely say that the US has become a bizarro world where consequences are not based on morality, doing the 'right' thing, or doing what you believe is the principled action to take, but consequences may instead result from not obeying the 'mob mentality" of those wielding power (or imagined power).
Oh, please. Trump has been president for 520 days. I wish you Trump haters would stop blaming him for every ill society suffers from. Believe me, morality has been on the downward slide for much longer than he has been in office.
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Old 06-23-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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oh, please. Trump has been president for 520 days. I wish you trump haters would stop blaming him for every ill society suffers from. Believe me, morality has been on the downward slide for much longer than he has been in office.
+1.
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Oh, please. Trump has been president for 520 days. I wish you Trump haters would stop blaming him for every ill society suffers from. Believe me, morality has been on the downward slide for much longer than he has been in office.
When I was a school principal, and occasionally something wouldn't go well, and someone would say, "It's all your fault", I would say, "Well okay. But if that's how you're going to think, then when things are going well -- which is most of the time -- then that's all to my credit". That's the problem right now. Someone wants to take all of the credit for what's going well, but blame everybody else for what's going wrong.
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Old 06-23-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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My favorites:

"Anything I can get my hands on is mine."
"They shouldn't give out F grades! It's not our fault if we don't understand!"


Re the current potus, he's an effect of where the country is, not the cause of it.
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Old 06-23-2018, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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My favorites:

"Anything I can get my hands on is mine."
"They shouldn't give out F grades! It's not our fault if we don't understand!"


Re the current potus, he's an effect of where the country is, not the cause of it.
Amen Amen.

When I first moved out here I thought I'd entered the twilight zone. I complained to some friends that I'd drank too much alcohol the night before and wanted to start a little later. They corrected me. I'd been "over-served". I thought they were kidding at the time, but they weren't.

We're not friends anymore.
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I think we have long lived under the misconception that we have a true justice system. We may have one of the best on earth, but it isn't about true justice. It's really based on revenge against people who break the law, and yet there's a built in encouragement for many to play the system.
Famous lawyer Jerry Spence wrote a book called Justice For None.

And we forget that a college education, essentially, in many cases, gives you a license to steal legally.

Corporations can commit a plethora of crimes with their accomplices, their armies of lawyers to defend them.
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