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Old 07-05-2018, 07:19 AM
 
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Good luck having the country function properly during those 10 years

We'd function just fine without additional "immigrants". We have more people than jobs right now and our natural and social resources are being spread thin. Our schools, roads, hospitals are overcrowded now.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:52 AM
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This is an ongoing discussion about immigration among Non-Muslim Indians outside the United States. Notably the Non-Muslim South Asians in Western Europe and the Commonwealth Realms have adopted a mostly anti-immigration posture in the face of what they see as racist immigration policies that don't benefit Indians as a whole, where as India is also seeing a a lot of discontent due to a lack of jobs in comparison to what countries like China has been seeing. This should also be viewed in the light of the Migrants Crisis and the sheer insanity of thinking it's possible to immigrate everyone in the third world.

The immigration policy of the United States generally attracts the most talented and strongest from third world countries, a lot of whom were educated and raised on third world governments' tax money, then assimilated them into Americans thereby depriving the third world country of much needed talent and tax.

A better option would be to export the jobs to the third world country, thereby developing the third world economy and creating even more jobs through trickle-down economics, but also providing the third world country with much needed tax money and talent (doctors, etc...).
"A better option" depends on who you're trying to benefit.

If you're trying to benefit the US, no, exporting jobs overseas and paying them there, leaving that money and talent in another country isn't a better option.

But to answer your first question, luring isn't the same thing as "stealing". The US, since it's inception, has been somewhat successful at luring the best minds and the best talent world wide. Certainly extremely successful at luring bold people with great potential but as yet unrealized talent.
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Old 07-05-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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We'd function just fine without additional "immigrants". We have more people than jobs right now and our natural and social resources are being spread thin. Our schools, roads, hospitals are overcrowded now.
I am not sure which USA you live in but the one I live in has a severe shortage of workers in dozens of fields. Some industries are having difficulty functioning due to the shortage of qualified workers. This applies to skilled trades as well as many scientific/technical fields, especially engineers. Without imported labor, we woudl have to slow down or shut down some industries.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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We'd function just fine without additional "immigrants". We have more people than jobs right now and our natural and social resources are being spread thin. Our schools, roads, hospitals are overcrowded now.
And we could fix our schools, roads, and hospitals right now if we wanted to. Schools are probably most affected by immigration, but having been a school principal in a school with a decent sized immigrant population, that was the least of our problems. The roads have virtually nothing to do with immigration. There are many reasons why emergency rooms are overcrowded, and in areas where there are far fewer immigrants living they are still overcrowded. A simple clinic affiliated with emergency rooms would solve much of that issue by siphoning off everyday medicine from emergency medicine (I've seen that done very successfully in Bangkok, Thailand).
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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I am not sure which USA you live in but the one I live in has a severe shortage of workers in dozens of fields. Some industries are having difficulty functioning due to the shortage of qualified workers. This applies to skilled trades as well as many scientific/technical fields, especially engineers. Without imported labor, we woudl have to slow down or shut down some industries.

There certainly is no shortage of blue-collared American workers but there is a shortage of blue-collared jobs due to "immigration". Why not train our own people for skilled jobs instead of importing more foreigners to do them?
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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There certainly is no shortage of blue-collared American workers but there is a shortage of blue-collared jobs due to "immigration". Why not train our own people for skilled jobs instead of importing more foreigners to do them?
Or not.

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Old 07-07-2018, 06:55 AM
 
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a) I don't have/need one. b) Be careful what you wish for.

If/when the HB-1 issues are addressed... you won't see that tech work exported as a result.
And you won't see tech workers imported much either; maybe returning to levels of decades past.
There's actually a shortage of workers in the tech industry. I presume that the jobs are either low-paying or aren't specialized. It's highly unlikely that the number of unemployed US tech workers would be higher than the number let in through HB-1.

Outsourcing allows you to keep your culture more in-tact whilst providing the ability to "pull out" without having to deal with the resulting issue of unemployed immigrants. US companies still gain profits from outsourced jobs and the cost of maintaining the jobs is lower too.
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I am firmly in favor of a merit based immigration policy.
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Old 07-08-2018, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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