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Old 07-25-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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To me the "one drop rule" IS people determining your race by your appearance. I mean there was no DNA waaay back, the "one drop rule" was and is a visual thing.

Even if that appearance is more phenotypically European. at one time in the south the greatest insult you could give a white person was to say or imply that he/she had "a touch of the tar brush" which basically meant the person looked white but had one or two features that were more common in another race,

Like his or her tan takes longer to go away after summers over, or hair is curlier than average but otherwise looks white.
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Old 07-25-2018, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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We are in our 30s and 20s. Their kids are under 10. How does a physician instruct a patient that their children are medically one race rather than another? They all have some of the fathers fretures so no postman jokes. Eldest looks Central American or “Mexican” middle looks “white” and youngest looks “mixed”
Do physicians assign race today? Even if they did how you self identify is more important in 2018 Being generations younger Tiger Woods dealt with survivors of Jim Crow who laughed at him for his thinking that he could "pass".
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Old 07-25-2018, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Inasmuch as you don't see him at home, you don't know that he's "ignoring one whole side of his family."

Or, maybe like Meghan Markle, he has some good reasons for ignoring one whole side of his family.

What you see is that he's supporting the side that is socially weakest, because he knows the strong side is okay.
Well, he certainly is ignoring one side of his family in virtually every talk show appearance that he makes when the topic always seems to come up from him. He certainly is ignoring one side of his family when he gets up to present an award at an awards show and the first thing out of his mouth is "I love being Black".

Now, your point about supporting the side that is socially weakest...okay...I can see that as a possibility.

But when you couple that with his frequent complaints that his first television show was canceled by "old white men"...even though those "old white men" were the folks who gave him that television show...and the fact that the ratings were poor...and that he couldn't work with one record company because of all the "old white men"...what I personally think is happening is that he's selling himself to a niche audience.

But, if that's who he thinks he is, then that's who he is. I do believe in self-selection...I just don't always admire it (as in Rachel Doležal).
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Old 07-25-2018, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I clearly remember the barbershop conversation howls at Tiger Woods (born 1975) biracial claims when he was a beginning PGA tour pro
What I remember about Tiger Woods was how he played up his half-Thai ethnicity when his morality was being questioned due to the many affairs, and he was trying to emphasize his Thai Buddhist connection...something I never remembered him talking about in interviews previously.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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The reason I started was because, in many parts of the world, it's assumed that the U.S. is one of the few countries that practices the one drop rule.

It's not uncommon for people from Britain, France, Brazil, Colombia, etc. to claim that they don't have the one drop rule in their countries and that the U.S. is the "black sheep."(No pun intended).

However, I disagree with this sentiment.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Why have we become so obsessed with labels nowadays especially in the US?
I remember, not too long ago, where in attempts to reconcile differences we all focused on the things that made us similar. Now, we focus on what makes us different. We want to be labeled different. We don't want to associate with the rest. There's hardly anymore Americans growing up. We're all hispanic, panamanian transgender, democratic, socialist, prochoice or we're white, german, males republican NRA members. (just fictitious examples) That in of itself is an issue, IMO. Whenever something comes up on the news; black male did this. White male did that.
Rant over.


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Sometimes it is an obsession. But other times it's just interesting...not in a good or bad way...just interesting.

When I lived in Thailand I was fascinating by differences in culture in different parts of the country. The Northeast Plateau (where there was a heavy Lao influence) was so much different than the bordering areas with Cambodia, or the Burmese-influence northern mountains, or the central valley region (more taditionally Thai), or the southern peninsula (where most of the Thai Muslims live). I didn't find one of those cultures better than any other*, just different, and interesting. I do have to admit, I was not impressed with the Muslims in Thailand, and because of their rudeness. On the other hand, when I spent time in Malaysia and Indonesia, I found the Muslims to be quite friendly and polite. And the question was why...and that's where the interesting culture comes in.

One year when I was traveling in Colorado (I live here now), another tourist came up to me and said, "You're from Rochester, NY, aren't you?" "Well, about 20 miles away. How could you possibly tell?" "Your heavy accent". Heavy accent??? I found that interesting.

Tell me that I have a choice of talking to a taxi driver originally from Ethiopia or a farmer from Kansas...I'll pick the Ethiopian. More interesting. Something to learn.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:15 PM
 
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Do physicians assign race today? Even if they did how you self identify is more important in 2018 Being generations younger Tiger Woods dealt with survivors of Jim Crow who laughed at him for his thinking that he could "pass".
Most blood tests that I take have various scales for race....it does matter in certain situations. But you'd have to ask a doc exactly how much it matters based on percentages.

It's a myth that there is no such thing as race. I think it's more accurate to say there are almost infinite number of races....and, of course, it is correct to say that we all share 99% of our DNA with other humans (and 96% with chimps)....

In the future we will all have the medical tests and systems instructed by our particular genome.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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I do have to admit, I was not impressed with the Muslims in Thailand, and because of their rudeness. On the other hand, when I spent time in Malaysia and Indonesia, I found the Muslims to be quite friendly and polite. And the question was why...and that's where the interesting culture comes in..
Wild guess - are disliked minority in Thailand (Buddhist majority) and are Majority in the other two countries you mention.

Buddhism, being more of a philosophy and centered on the individual and peace/enlightenment, may tend to look on "cult" (heavily organized hierarchal and less peaceful) religions as hard to get along with.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Because another true concept exists in America: "None of us is free until all of us are free."

Being half-white doesn't count when you're dealing with a racist...which is what Jesse Williams says he discovered as a teenager.
Yes. This!

When I was growing up, I lived in an all-white town in western NYS. It wasn't until I was a teenager that we had one Black family in the town, no Latinos, no Asians. Two years after graduating, I accepted a teaching position in a school in a Maryland suburb of D.C. The school was under forced busing, and as a result was close to 50% Black, 50% White. I learned more about my own country in those two years than I had learned in the previous 25 years.

And I always laughed to myself when -- in the D.C. area -- there would be discussions about race in the faculty lounge. And some White teacher (and I was a White teacher, then administrator) would say, "Well, I have Black friends"). And 90%+ of the time, when you pressed the person on that, the "friend" would be the cashier at the checkout counter at the grocery store, or the man who does their lawn. "Well, that doesn't mean we're not friends". "So you've had them to your house for dinner? You've visited them in their house?
You hang out together socially?" "Well, no!" Then you're not friends. And, people like that...don't "know all about" Black or Latino culture.

I would occasionally take students home after school, and sometimes to our not very prosperous Black/Latino neighborhood, sometimes I'd be invited in. I was always treated well. But most of the other educators wouldn't dare venture into that neighborhood. Why? People are people.

Americans are too damn afraid of each other.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The one-drop rule was a matter of what records were available.

Birth records, school records, family bibles, community memory--if there was any knowledge or record of any non-white relationships, the one-drop rule dictated the person to be considered non-white, regardless of visual appearance.

That's why Herbert Hoover and Carol Channing kept their black relationships secret, despite appearing completely white.
You mean Herbert Hoover or J. Edgar Hoover?
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