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Old 09-09-2018, 08:58 PM
Location: north narrowlina
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^^^^^ bear with me about "bearing" my teeth^^^^^^
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ceiligrrl View Post
^^^^^ bear with me about "bearing" my teeth^^^^^^
Glad to see you are still bearing all your teeth. I can tell because you have them bared.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tijlover View Post
In one of Will Durant's History books he proclaimed: Man has an equal desire to build and an equal desire to destroy.

We forget: It takes 100 years to build up a civilization and only one day to destroy it all!

Civilization is paper-thin! And those part of it!
Thank goodness civilization is more than brick and mortar. It takes more than war to destroy a man's humanity if he is determined to retain it. Reading autobiographies from WWII we discover that even in places like Auschwitz there were those determined to practice good.

I don't agree with Mr. Durant. I believe we have an equal choice and some of us choose poorly.
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:42 AM
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Originally Posted by IWLC View Post
It really leaves me with the feeling that the whole country is a thin veneer of decency covering a seething mass of hidden immorality. Obviously, it is not a new phenomenon. There are endless stories of truly terrible things that were institutionalized in the past. You could include the various white collar crimes and the collusion of government and industry to create the war machine.
So, the question is; Are humans intrinsically good or evil? How much of what we see is just a disguise?
I think you may be a little over-documentarized; especially if said venue was YouTube; due to the endless feed of “similar” options. With varied dates of production available; you were probably binging on content spanning at least the last 4 elections.

This is relevant as documentaries reflect the propaganda memes of the era they were produced in. Prostitution in particular has been increasingly framed as synonymous with human trafficking. As a former one myself; I would say that this is not reflective of the sex industry in the US.

China ... is primed to be a different story; projected to become the #1 importer of human females in the near future. In the US; your everyday, average client; would be terrified to participate in international trafficking & they are networked well enough to avoid even the common pimp. Nobody needs that drama but it sure can make a candidate look “tough on crime” to reel in all those “traffickers”.

One thing about American voters; is that we are willing to be stripped of our rights if we fear something enough. A good amount of what you binge-watched was likely designed to do just that.

Originally Posted by daprara View Post
humans can self define all they want but we are part of the bigger picture. In nature there is no such concept at good or evil.
But in humans there is; so maybe humans actually are “super-natural” after all. As in having the potential to function beyond what a beast can. Above the animals. Superior.

Originally Posted by Lodestar View Post
I'm always a bit dismayed by these kinds of threads. Doesn't anyone believe in or want to be the kind of person who looks at evil and wants to counteract it by being constructive? Because that's what I believe evil is - destruction is the essence of evil.

I know there are plenty of us out here who want to resist evil because I have met them. All kinds of people working in their own ways - holy-rollers, healers, benefactors, mentors, comedians, name it.

Too often I sense the attitude is, "What's one more evil act by me when there is so much more evil going on?"

If all you look at is evil that is all you will see and it will drag you in and cause either dissipation or despair. I like Nietzsche's quote, "And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

Evil is enormous and it appears that we are powerless over it but it is through individual acts added upon each other that we defeat evil in our own lives. Looking for good you will find that as well and it may inspire you to goodness rather than capitulation. We don't fight evil, we replace it with good.

A single, small candle will destroy darkness.
I agree 100%. Evil is powerful but it is not superior. Each person who makes a choice to renounce evil diminishes its strength.
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Old 09-10-2018, 08:13 AM
Location: NJ
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The so called good or evil a person does in this world is a function of their biological brain. Luckily for our society, most people have normal functioning brains, the good. But there are many who have mental problems due to their brain chemistry, or perhaps genetic mutations, or even things like tumors. A person with a normal brain does not find pleasure in murdering another being, no matter what the circumstances.
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Old 09-10-2018, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by fred44 View Post
A person with a normal brain does not find pleasure in murdering another being, no matter what the circumstances.

Are you saying that those who participated in the huge mass slaughters and extreme violence (The 3rd Reich, The Rape of Nanking, Rwanda, The Rape of Berlin, the 75,000 Boers who were starved to death in British concentration camps, 20 million killed by Stalin's forces, and on and on) all had abnormal brains, or were they normal human brains that were given permission to be human? How else would you explain so any people willing or even enjoying participating? Fortunately, in modern times in the US, we don't know what would happen if constraint were removed, but there is plenty of cruelty towards children and animals that goes on despite the laws.

It was an error to throw prostitution out there in my first post. The point in doing so was to show that it is a massive industry that require 10s of millions of customers, but seemingly, no one will admit to being one. Other than instances of forced prostitution, it should not be in any category that includes the large spectrum of deeds with no intention other than to cause pain and suffering.
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Old 09-10-2018, 11:46 AM
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From a religious standpoint, especially through the Abrahamic faiths, humans are especially sinful. So, the "evil" part can be seen from that view.
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