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Old 09-19-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I don't think we can allow the extremists to hold us back. Demanding they think or speak in a certain way or we can't make progress is self-defeating.

It's like drawing a pig-headed line in the sand that guarantees adversarial attitudes. "Do it my way or I'm not playing."

After all, even if they say it the "right" way it doesn't change a thing that has happened. It's best not to get stuck on semantics.

The goal is progress in mutual cooperation in the here and now not arguing about the past.
I agree. We don't have to self-flagellate. We are now a great country. Ridding ourselves of slavery was an improvement.
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Old 09-19-2018, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Democracy is a (pack of) wolves and a (flock of) sheep voting on what to have for dinner. (Anonymous)

And the sheep are growing horns.
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Old 09-19-2018, 12:54 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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So let's see. There is something wrong with righting historical wrongs. Interesting way of thinking.
It is a problem when the historical *wrongs* are invented. But when it comes to what SJWs learn at the university, one can be sure that the perpetrator of these *wrongs* is ALWAYS the heterosexual, white, Christian male in America or further back in Europe.
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Old 09-19-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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You reference "reasonable person". The problem is the all too frequent unreasonable neanderthal. And you can take the premise about is slavery wrong? and find their all too frequent excuses for slavery right here in the politics sub-forum. Statements like:

"Well sure slavery is wrong. But that was a different time that we can't understand".
"Well sure slavery is wrong. But we weren't only country to have slaves".
"Well sure slavery is wrong. But Blacks helped round up slaves in Africa".
"Well sure slavery is wrong. But slavery was around as far back as the Old Testament".
"Well sure slavery is wrong. But Africans had slaves, too."
"Well sure slavery is wrong. But some Black Americans had slaves".

No. No. No. No. No. No.

The butts need to leave off the buts and just say that American slavery was wrong.
And how does ANY of those eleventy-billion add-ons affect ... anything?

Everyone agrees slavery was wrong. No one wants to reinstate it.

Your comment is a perfect example of SJW non-logic, looking for problems where they don;t exist. Aside from the fact that every statement is true.
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Old 09-19-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Says who? The Grand SJW Court?
If you think I'm in that category of individual, you clearly haven't been paying any attention to my posts.

To be clear-

I do not believe that inheritance in any form is earning.

I do not believe that gaining wealth through the purposeful, malevolent crushing of others is earning.

I do not believe that tax evasion via off shore banking and "investment" is earning.

I do not believe that embezzlement or preying on the ignorant and desperate is earning.

If you made your wealth with real, honest work. Cool. You deserve to defend it. I don't really care if you stepped on direct competitors, that's business, but don't step on the people underneath you just for a third yacht.
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It is a problem when the historical *wrongs* are invented. But when it comes to what SJWs learn at the university, one can be sure that the perpetrator of these *wrongs* is ALWAYS the heterosexual, white, Christian male in America or further back in Europe.
Well, through American history, who has been in power? "the heterosexual, white, Christian male".
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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And how does ANY of those eleventy-billion add-ons affect ... anything?

Everyone agrees slavery was wrong. No one wants to reinstate it.

Your comment is a perfect example of SJW non-logic, looking for problems where they don;t exist. Aside from the fact that every statement is true.
Because it's always giving an excuse. I don't know if you've got a kid, but I bet you don't accept the "Well everyone else is doing it" excuse.

No, it isn't non-logic, it's just logic you don't want to accept because you're afraid.
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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Because it's always giving an excuse. I don't know if you've got a kid, but I bet you don't accept the "Well everyone else is doing it" excuse.

No, it isn't non-logic, it's just logic you don't want to accept because you're afraid.
What is it that everyone else is doing that you think people want to imitate?

No one has slaves. No one is seeking to reinstate slavery.

??????

To add: Yelling you're a scardey cat is not using logic. It's a tactic to pretend you have some sort of argument, Which you don't. If you did, you wouldn't have to pretend someone has an emotion.
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Old 09-19-2018, 01:55 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Well, through American history, who has been in power? "the heterosexual, white, Christian male".
Many of them were not Christian. Looking at the countries around the world, I would say they did a remarkably good job... not perfect... but a good job. The U.S. is still the number 1 country people around the world want to move to.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Because it's always giving an excuse. I don't know if you've got a kid, but I bet you don't accept the "Well everyone else is doing it" excuse.

No, it isn't non-logic, it's just logic you don't want to accept because you're afraid.
You are the most indoctrinated person I have ever met on City Data.

First of all, stop making it personal with people. "You're afraid" "Here's an analogy involving your possible child/children". Stop this.

You are dangerously deep into fantasy land and you need to come back to reality.

Show us on the doll where white people touched you. Jayzus...
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