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Old 09-21-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Please pause while all of us who were classified as "Exempt" catch our breath. I fell out of my chair at the idea that reducing the official 40 hour work week will result in anything changing in our work week other than reducing our pay by 25%. It certainly won't result in more people being hired.
Going back to my industry days, if hours are cut by 1/4 while compensation remains the same then employee productivity will have to rise by 25% for the company to stay even. There is no free lunch.

Going back to when I was in industry, whenever we would get a raise two things were guaranteed to happen within a couple weeks. Layoff notices would go out (and yes, they were written on pink paper) and the machines making the bottles (or earlier the plastic caps) would speed up.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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The US is the only nation where people work so many hours, IMO, life was never supposed to be this way, people basically ARE their jobs...whenever I meet someone, the first question is usually, 'what do you do'...majority of people respond by naming their job or employer!

I had a doctor, that when he asked this question, and people started talking about their job or employer, he would stop them and say, NO, I didnt ask what your job was, I asked what you do...I assume many people couldnt come up with anything besides their job!
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Probably in about the next 50 years or so artificial intelligence and robots will eliminate 50 to 75 percent of traditional occupations in this country. Can you imagine the political and social impact this will have on the country? Millions of angry unemployed people and a crisis of the homeless draining the resources of state and local governments. I imagine the federal government would have to institute some form of a guaranteed annual wage or handout to deter anarchy.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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Probably in about the next 50 years or so artificial intelligence and robots will eliminate 50 to 75 percent of traditional occupations in this country. Can you imagine the political and social impact this will have on the country? Millions of angry unemployed people and a crisis of the homeless draining the resources of state and local governments. I imagine the federal government would have to institute some form of a guaranteed annual wage or handout to deter anarchy.
The Govt has something called 'the Invention Secrecy Act' in place too deal with these kinds of things though, it was enacted in 1951 and still in force today.

Many people do not realize Govt can come in and classify an invention or technology if the potential to create too many problems are there. They have used this act to classify over 150,000 inventions/technologies since 1951!!!
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Florida -
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Sometimes in these debates, "WE" get our pronouns mixed-up in expecting "THEY" to somehow take popular opinion into account when deciding things like overtime, work week length, benefits, retirement, etc.. Except for one's spouse, there is rarely a "we" involved when it comes to one's income, working conditions, work week --- or retirement.

In this case, 99-percent of "we" may believe a 30-hour, versus a 40-hour workweek is a dandy idea, but, "we" will only change that by individually deciding to work 30 versus 40-hours (and live on a 30-hour income).

HOWEVER, who knows, if Socialism keeps raising its head often enough, even America could follow the path of Greece and other European countries.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: S.W. Florida
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Going back to my industry days, if hours are cut by 1/4 while compensation remains the same then employee productivity will have to rise by 25% for the company to stay even. There is no free lunch.

Going back to when I was in industry, whenever we would get a raise two things were guaranteed to happen within a couple weeks. Layoff notices would go out (and yes, they were written on pink paper) and the machines making the bottles (or earlier the plastic caps) would speed up.
This^^^^^^

What people fail to grasp is that companies have a responsibility to produce profit for their shareholders. Lots of profit. Thatís how businesss works. Shareholders invest their money and expect to make a return on their investments. Reduced working hours must be offset by increased productivity and efficiency in order for those profit margins to remain steady or increase. As you said, there is no free lunch.
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Can you imagine the political and social impact this will have on the country?
Millions of angry unemployed people and...
Which is why we have to limit population levels...
and to start those efforts NOW.
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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This can only happen if we massively strengthen the labor union movement, sadly. We are eons behind the rest of the developed world when it comes to labor rights. We don't even require employers to provide paid vacation and paid overtime for all their employees. That's a result of destroyed labor unions. Rebuild the unions and workers will not get so easily riled up and vote for crazy people for Congress. Unions have a civilizing effect on society like nothing else has.
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Probably in about the next 50 years or so artificial intelligence and robots will eliminate 50 to 75 percent of traditional occupations in this country. Can you imagine the political and social impact this will have on the country? Millions of angry unemployed people and a crisis of the homeless draining the resources of state and local governments. I imagine the federal government would have to institute some form of a guaranteed annual wage or handout to deter anarchy.
Ain't never gonna happen …… because with the country de-industrialized and labor unions weakened (a result of economic mega-trends, and not of some imaginary globalist conspiracy) job growth and the demand that fuels it is going to come from the upper portions of an aging consumer base seeking personal service (housekeepers, CNA's and the like) rather than things, which are easier to denominate, store and/or withhold. It's either that, or increased pressure for euthanasia and/or "death with dignity" (as in some of the most wealthy, but stagnant parts of Western Europe), which could start a fight that would make the abortion battle look tame.

Just a depressing fact of the not-too-distant future -- don't blame the messenger for the message.
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Probably in about the next 50 years or so artificial intelligence and robots will eliminate 50 to 75 percent of traditional occupations in this country. Can you imagine the political and social impact this will have on the country? Millions of angry unemployed people and a crisis of the homeless draining the resources of state and local governments. I imagine the federal government would have to institute some form of a guaranteed annual wage or handout to deter anarchy.
Which was the point of my thread to begin with. I'm glad to see a few posters like you who get it, instead of taking the thread in whole different directions.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:35 PM
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Location: Charleston, SC
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For the sake of debate, we have all read about how automation and robots are taking over many jobs. For example:

https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/15/tec...ots/index.html

So, should America reduce by 1 hour per year each year for the next decade the 40 hour work, in order to reduce the work week to 30 hours, but companies would need to increase pay proportionally to maintain the standard of living in the country?

Thoughts?
That would be awesome, then I could reduce my 100 hour work week to 90! Thanks I love your ideas!
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