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Old 09-30-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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I have to say, I absolutely do not see a lot of companies (i.e. ANY companies) not being able to find trainable workers. Companies do not want to train workers. (Unless it's really low-paid, unpleasant dangerous work.)
Name one occupation or job title you believe applies to your statement.

Now, if you're talking about a company taking a random stranger off the street and training them to be a compliance specialist or a computer programmer, then...
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: North West Arkansas (zone 6b)
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i heard a story about a manufacturing plant where the majority of applicants failed the drug test. It makes you wonder if maybe changing the drug testing criteria is in order.

I've seen some very bright kids in high school that use drugs for whatever reason and it makes me wonder if recreational drug use is a shift in the culture that business have to adapt along with higher salaries.

these drug using kids all got free rides to their school of choice, so it doesn't appear to affect their cognitive skills.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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i heard a story about a manufacturing plant where the majority of applicants failed the drug test. It makes you wonder if maybe changing the drug testing criteria is in order.

I've seen some very bright kids in high school that use drugs for whatever reason and it makes me wonder if recreational drug use is a shift in the culture that business have to adapt along with higher salaries.

these drug using kids all got free rides to their school of choice, so it doesn't appear to affect their cognitive skills.
Lots of companies are no longer drug testing or starting to have a change of heart about it.

Instead of paying more to get a drug free employee, they would rather just not test.

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Last month, AutoNation Inc., the largest U.S. auto dealer, announced it would no longer refuse job applicants who tested positive for weed.
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As of the beginning of 2018, Excellence Health Inc., a Las Vegas-based health care company with around 6,000 employees, no longer drug tests people coming to work for the pharmaceutical side of the business.
I also saw a story about a company who says they can't find any machinists, they also stopped drug testing.

BUT, they where only paying $9/hr. Yes, nine. I believe they now pay $12-13/hr, but that is still way too low for a machinist, so it looks like the employer is smoking crack too.

Instead of paying more, they are now trying to hire people from jail.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ho...orker-shortage
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:27 PM
 
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Another thing you notice with these low wage jobs, they expect employees to live a life of someone who makes $20-25/hr, but only wants to pay them $10-12/hr.

I see this all the time in construction.

Entry level $10-12/hr - must have truck/transportation, tools, etc....

How is someone who only makes 10-12/hr suppose to have a truck (paying insurance, gas, maintenance), tools and pay rent etc..... It is not a livable wage. Good luck finding that.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:34 PM
 
Location: S.W. Florida
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For qualified people in positions requiring technical or other training, yes. The shortage is real, it is extreme, and in some ways frightening. I wonder if we have enough qualified engineers/scientists to continue as a world leader, and I sometimes worry if we can even maintain our current complex first world lifestyle (US-centered view, sorry).

I work for a large engineering firm developing autonomous vehicle software and control systems. My immediate group has 20 openings. Corporate-wide, we have somewhere between 600 and 800 openings (depending on when you ask). The minimum requirements for non-entry level engineering positions are very high. HR has a "bounty" offer if we can bring in qualified people. I'm in my sixties and still get calls/emails from headhunters. If I were younger and had a LinkedIn account, I suspect my inbox would be overloaded.

My son is an airline pilot and the shortage there is critical as well. Like me, he rarely goes a month without calls from headhunter/talent scouts. He was hired the instant he reached the minimum qualifications (at age 23), and was in the Captain's seat by age 26. In the past, upgrading to the left seat was a process measured in decades. Now with all the retirees flowing out the other end of the "pipeline", movement is swift.

For some reason that still baffles me, college students aren't majoring in the degrees that have critical shortages. My company has started identifying likely engineering candidates in high school, and trying to mentor and coach them thru STEM degrees in hopes they'll come to work for us later. They're very aware of the shortages, and are planning 8-10 years into the future.




As mentioned above, finding people who are drug-free, trained(able), no record and/or eligible for a security clearance, and who don't look like they fell face first into a tacklebox is a challenge. The good news is, for those who meet the qualifications -- The future's so bright, they gotta wear shades.
The company I retired from, a large auto manufacturer, has a program that reaches out to kids at the 4th grade and up! They are putting on programs that introduce science and engineering principles to them. They also have a heavy presence at colleges and universities hoping to snag some of their best and brightest. They also put on career days and will fly potential candidates to the fair if they pass the phone screen.

I think companies and colleges need to join together and start doing a better job of identifying the educational needs of companies so they will have a better chance of competing in this global economy. The stakes couldn’t be higher.
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Old 09-30-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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Another thing you notice with these low wage jobs, they expect employees to live a life of someone who makes $20-25/hr, but only wants to pay them $10-12/hr.

I see this all the time in construction.

Entry level $10-12/hr - must have truck/transportation, tools, etc....

How is someone who only makes 10-12/hr suppose to have a truck (paying insurance, gas, maintenance), tools and pay rent etc..... It is not a livable wage. Good luck finding that.

It didn't use to be that way though. Construction used to pay a liveable wage. Now that there are millions of illegals that have flooded the construction and other blue-collared industries by working for less you have what you are stating above.
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Pilots - spend 100-200k getting your ticket and the airlines want to pay you $12-13/hr.

Is there any wonder people don't want to do it.



And yes, the guys at the very, very top make 200k, but that is like telling someone with a business degree, look how much CEOs make, you business guys make bank!
Pilots make a hell of a lot more than $12-13

Pilot salaries
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:25 PM
 
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Pilots make a hell of a lot more than $12-13

Pilot salaries

Starting salaries at the feeder airlines are $12-13/hr. It use to be even less. Think $8-9/hr just 10 years ago.

Everyone thinks all pilots make six figures. The truth is far from it. Some airline pilots make that kind of money (top make 200k, with a very small handful making 300k+, which ironically is paid by the Chinese. You have to go to China and work for them), but lots make way less than most people think.

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It has long been an industry truth that pay rates for first officers at the feeder carriers were unfavorable, a point that was illuminated by the 2009 crash of a Colgan Air Q400 (Continental 3407) near Buffalo, N.Y. Newspaper articles at the time described the 24-year-old copilot’s cross-country commute from the Seattle-area home she shared with her family to her Newark Airport home base that morning to catch the doomed flight. Her annual salary was $16,000 a year.

Seven years later the compensation has improved, albeit only somewhat. Last August the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) issued a press release that provided a sampling of estimated first-year pilot base salaries exclusive of any bonuses, with Mesa Airlines offering $20,183, according to the union, while Great Lakes was listed at $29,484. In between were the three wholly owned American Airlines subsidiaries: PSA ($22,104), Envoy Air ($23,256) and Piedmont Airlines ($26,422).

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Old 09-30-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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My favorite recent example wanted a MSW, who could also write code, for $12 an hour.
If that person even exists, I doubt they would accept the pay.
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Starting salaries at the feeder airlines is $12-13/hr. It use to be even less. Think $8-9/hr just 10 years ago.

Everyone thinks all pilots make six figures. The truth is far from it. Some airline pilots make that kind of money (top make 200k, with a very small handful making 300k+, which ironically is paid by the Chinese. You have to go to China and work for them), but lots make way less than most people think.
I stand corrected. And shocked.
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