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Old 10-31-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Which society had a large percentage of whites (European ancestry) and blacks (African ancestry) living in integrated form?

That is the holy grail that everybody wants to know.
France: They have had their issues for sure but generally have been much more tolerant to the black community there. I would give them a (B-)

Bermuda: 50% black, 30% white. Much better race relations then the US. (A-)
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Old 10-31-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Numbers mean nothing in terms of how well we are doing in the category of race relations.
Numbers mean everything.

It is very easy to have "great" race relations when the overwhelming majority of a country's population is of one race (white) and there are just a few token minorities (blacks) here and there. Yes, I'm talking about Canada, Europe and Australia.
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Old 10-31-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Numbers mean everything.

It is very easy to have "great" race relations when the vast majority of a country's population is of one race (white) and there are just a few token minorities here and there.
You need to think more deeply about what you posted. The fact that we have a particular percentage of non-white people doesn't mean race relations are positive.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Australia
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In Australia we do not even officially classify people as white and black. But the proportion of people born in what have been regarded as traditionally white societies is declining quite rapidly and the people born in China and India is increasing very quickly. The proportion of people identifying as Aboriginal is also increasing. So it is not correct to assert that our non white population is token.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:49 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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In Australia we do not even officially classify people as white and black. But the proportion of people born in what have been regarded as traditionally white societies is declining quite rapidly and the people born in China and India is increasing very quickly. The proportion of people identifying as Aboriginal is also increasing. So it is not correct to assert that our non white population is token.
Only 1.5% of Australia's population is of sub-Saharan African ancestry.

And even that tiny percentage is probably mostly from the educated classes of those countries.
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Old 11-01-2018, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Only 1.5% of Australia's population is of sub-Saharan African ancestry.

And even that tiny percentage is probably mostly from the educated classes of those countries.
Actually a good proportion are from our legal refugee intake, particularly Sudanese.

But I thought the OP was talking about the whole variety of races, not just those of sub-Saharan African ancestoy and European ancestors.
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Old 11-06-2018, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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What exactly makes someone "similar" to you?
Their occupation, education, social status, religious or political beliefs, hobbies, neighborhood, culture, etc.

America largely self-segregates itself along many different categories.
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Old 11-25-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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Their occupation, education, social status, religious or political beliefs, hobbies, neighborhood, culture, etc.

America largely self-segregates itself along many different categories.
If the society within a country DOESN’T segregate races or culture, either voluntarily or forced, then it is neither multi-racial or multi-cultural. It is simply mixed.

If mates were chosen in the USA by lots, in 3 or 4 generations there would be no discernible ‘races’.
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:09 PM
 
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If mates were chosen in the USA by lots, in 3 or 4 generations there would be no discernible ‘races’.
Yes, but probably not due to lack of differences in physical trates as genetics is a lot more complicated than just "mixing" and certain traits can pop up much more or less strongly from generation to generation. Much more likely is that the sociological conceptions surrounding "race" would be revealed to be bunk.
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Old 12-02-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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I am currently reading Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation by Joseph J. Ellis. The book concerns the Revolutionary and early national era, focusing on Ben Franklin, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and others. Much of the book is still relevant. Among the many good points he makes is that the world, up until that time, had never really known a bi-racial (or multi-racial) society. Many people were advocating emancipation of the slaves. One of the reasons that was never seriously considered by Congress was that no would could comprehend a society where the races were mixed.

The United States was the first such society and I would argue still is the only truly integrated country. It is messy, but it works.
The Romans and many other were true multi-cultural society that flourished due to that fact.

If the original premise of your debate is untrue, addressing it can be difficult. However, to add something to the mix.....

1. If the USA was 100% white there would still be a class system - the Scots-Irish were dregs inside England and they would be looked at here the same way. Same for many of the Catholic Irish and many other religions and sub-groups. So being multi-racial is really no difference.
Look at Russia (W. Russia where most live). All white and a terrible murderous history of killing their own residents.

2. I would argue that the USA has been very bad at integration. Or at least very slow. Saying that things are better today may be accurate, but how many tens of millions have suffered greatly because of bigotry and racism?

When you read that book you need to keep one main point in mind. The British Empire, which loomed above all those men, was Imperialistic, Colonial, etc. and basically enslaved and controlled a large part of the known world to provide that tiny percentage of people (a tiny percentage of even Britons) with the lifestyle and thought processes you are reading about. In other words, it was not repeatable at the time.
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