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Old Today, 08:44 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Why weren't Jimmies Kimmel and Fallon fired? They actually wore blackface and wore it after it had crossed the line of social acceptability.
They did? I didnít know that! How interesting.
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Old Today, 08:58 AM
 
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They did? I didnít know that! How interesting.
What, the Jimmies doing blackface? Well, I'm not surprised since it's not talked about much.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/fl...tes/vi-BBOUImm

https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/25/j...man-blackface/
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Old Today, 09:11 AM
 
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Yep. It's called Free Speech. If he does a good job on my lawn, I couldn't care less how he votes.

Back in the good old days, people could have opposing opinions without getting their panties in a twist. In the 60s and 70s, the Nazi Party held rallies and parades in downtown Chicago. We didn't agree with anything the party stood for, but we didn't get irate and offended. We just chose not to attend. It was free speech. That's how it works.
You must have been on a different planet than the one I was on in the 60s and 70s. Employers would and could fire anyone in a heartbeat for opposing opinions on my planet in the 60s and 70s.

That had nothing to do with Nazis being able to get a demonstration permit from the city.

But if a Jewish employer in the 60s and 70s--very likely someone who actually was or personally knew a Holocaust survivor-- noted one of his employees taking part in that rally, that employee would find himself looking for work.

Heck, I knew Jews who still refused to buy a Ford automobile in the 70s.
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Old Today, 09:23 AM
 
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Halloween evening, I saw a colored man in downtown Billings, MT, in WHITEFACE!
Is THAT acceptable?
Personally, I am not offended. I simply find it hilarious that a man who is quite obviously of (partial) Negro ancestry would think that such a "costume" is acceptable, given all the foofaraw about whites being in BLACKFACE!
IMO, if you are offended by such a thing, you should suck it up and deal with it. QUIETLY!!

Nah...I would have to disagree. No one needs to be quiet. Everyone has the right to say what they find objectionable. Minorities are finding their voice, and using it. That's fine.


And by the way, "colored people"? Are you stuck in the 50's, or did you put it that way to express your disdain?
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Old Today, 09:35 AM
 
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I'd try to educate him.

Megyn Kelley got fired because it isn't allowed to point out that at one time, blackface was acceptable. The line is that blackface was always unacceptable and only racists and the ignorant did it or weren't offended by it.

Well, I was there. And I can say that in polite society blackface was acceptable. And not only on Halloween. Maybe blacks found it offensive but equally as likely, they weren't instructed to find it offensive yet and so didn't.

And a couple of decades earlier, "White Only" was socially acceptable. It was the way of life in the South and few in the North thought much about it one way or the other.

Why weren't Jimmies Kimmel and Fallon fired? They actually wore blackface and wore it after it had crossed the line of social acceptability.

My own opinion is that NBC lured MK away from Fox because they didn't want a smart, attractive (beautiful, actually), conservative woman having a successful TV show. They put her in situations they knew wouldn't work, biding their time and knowing eventually they'd have a pseudo excuse send her to Siberia.

The one they got was close enough. For them.
Your so-called "polite society" must have been in one of those "White Only" venues. Blackface has been known offensive in open American society since the 40s. Yeah, I'm sure lots of whites perpetuated it in private...but it was already known offensive and low-class in public by the 40s.
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Old Today, 09:39 AM
 
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Nah...I would have to disagree. No one needs to be quiet. Everyone has the right to say what they find objectionable. Minorities are finding their voice, and using it. That's fine.


And by the way, "colored people"? Are you stuck in the 50's, or did you put it that way to express your disdain?
LOL (grimly).

At my high school graduation in 1970, I received a scholarship from a white organization that had been very much segregated right up to that time.

The elderly white man presenting the award stated, "This is the first time we have given this scholarship to a colored boy...."

The auditorium--even in 1970--collectively gasped.

It didn't bother me, though. The guy was old and I'm pretty sure he wasn't giving me an award with the intention of offending me at the same time.

But that was nearly 50 years ago, and that guy was old then.
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Old Today, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Yep. It's called Free Speech. If he does a good job on my lawn, I couldn't care less how he votes.

Back in the good old days, people could have opposing opinions without getting their panties in a twist. In the 60s and 70s, the Nazi Party held rallies and parades in downtown Chicago. We didn't agree with anything the party stood for, but we didn't get irate and offended. We just chose not to attend. It was free speech. That's how it works.

It's beyond sad to me that we cannot show respect to each other. I've lost friendships with friends not because they were liberal, but because they became so hateful towards people who disagreed with them.

For the record, I am a conservative. For the most part, that means I vote Republican. I don't always agree with everything Trump says or does. There are many Republicans I don't care for and not too many Democrats I do care for. But I try to give consideration to all.

I think political correctness has reached the level of insanity. Does anyone remember Don Rickles? He made a career of insulting people. Look how far we've come. Nowadays, you can't say or do anything without being accused of some kind of racism or (fill-in-the-blank)-phobia or cultural misappropriation, no matter how innocent or trivial your transgression might be.

You are welcome to your opinions. But so am I. So is everyone.

I grieve for the loss of mutual respect and constitutional rights. If that makes me racist, fascist, or some kind of phobe, then so be it. But I'm willing to support your right to disagree with me. Are you willing to do the same?
I'm not sure you realize how your post comes across.

Should a person come to work for me that feels that during the work time for which I am paying him that he has to espouse a political view that I find abhorrent...I'd do my best to find a different worker for the next time around. In a 33 year career in education, I never mixed my political view with my career.

I think people ought to get their panties in a twist for causes such as Nazism. And the KKK. Etc. To say nothing is to condone.

I hope you don't think that it's just liberals who are basing friendships on politics.

You think that constant insulting of others is a good thing?
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Old Today, 10:35 AM
 
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Your so-called "polite society" must have been in one of those "White Only" venues. Blackface has been known offensive in open American society since the 40s. Yeah, I'm sure lots of whites perpetuated it in private...but it was already known offensive and low-class in public by the 40s.
Maybe in New York and other centers of advanced thought, but elsewhere blackface was no big deal.

And not only blackface. Ethnic jokes, Tarzan movies, Charley Chan movies, all kinds of ethic stereotyping were common and not eyebrow raising.

Except, I guess, among the raised eyebrow set.
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Old Today, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Maybe in New York and other centers of advanced thought, but elsewhere blackface was no big deal.

And not only blackface. Ethnic jokes, Tarzan movies, Charley Chan movies, all kinds of ethic stereotyping were common and not eyebrow raising.

Except, I guess, among the raised eyebrow set.
The issue of black face is a difficult one somewhat dependent on how it was being used. Al Jolson, for example, was highly regarded by the Black community. However, overall it was an ignorant thing to do.

But "blackface was no big deal"...says the white guy. Hmmmm.
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Old Today, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Happy Halloween...and thus the jist of this post...

I am noticing a major increase in those who are easily offended social media. With the recent posts of people going black face as their Halloween characters, I'm seeing MULTIPLE cases where people are doing this again and again this past week in celebration of the holiday.

For instance , a recent case where a woman went black to look like Biance' (sp?) and I saw a few other cases popping up online this Halloween. She got fired from her job at the hospital, and rightfully so. Correct?

What I'm finding a bit silly is that Megan Kelly was fired for saying, "Well, it's Halloween...what did you expect? I fail to see the problem. What is "racist" then? She was fired immediately...but really? Should she have been? It's not like SHE donned the black face, right?

Recently a small town politician said something like Megan Kelly, "I did the same thing when I was a kid at 16 with my African American friend (they swapped races on Halloween...his black friend went white, he went black), He made a statement where he didn't see what the big deal was it about then.

With these local elections, this could prove problematic and impact the outcome the said vote only because he shared an unpopular opinion (reminds me of those memes, "Unpopular opinion time!....change my mind!!") It's a thing.

So now, not only the action is offensive,but there are consequences of voicing said opinion NOT in favor of the unpopular opinion.

Do you think there should be consequences for THAT?
This wind blows just one way. To the left.

Notice Don Le Mon from CNN wasn't fired for his racist rant against white males. It's really a war against Western Civilization.

This is a rerun of the mindset during the Salem Witch Trials, the French Revolution, and other periods of mass hysteria/insanity. Let's hope the insane come back from their sketchy, logic-free existence.
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