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Not "Social Justice" as such, but we aren't doing a good job teaching young men about masculinity.
I DO think that it may have to do with the comparative slighting, in some circles of more technical, hands on pursuits.
I also think the internet has a lot to do with it...Kids now are able to find the "darkest of the dark" if they so desire. Remember, NeoNazi's or any other lunatic fringe group is there with open arms.
If a teen who had very little knowledge of planes, took a plane and crashed it into restaurant, would people be blaming the planes?
Somehow it's always the 'guns' fault.
Taking your straw man analogy literally, it seems reasonable in that situation that society would seek to limit access to the cockpit of planes, just like it seeks to limit access to guns.
If a teen who had very little knowledge of planes, took a plane and crashed it into restaurant, would people be blaming the planes?
Somehow it's always the 'guns' fault.
Well guns are meant for killing, airplanes aren’t. And we’re not experiencing a rash of mass killings by airplane, we are experiencing a rash of killings by self loading rifles. I think breech loading single shot rifles will meet the needs of hunting, target shooting and self defense. At most I think bolt action rifles with 5 round magazines. And revolving pistols.
As it is the safety of the people is being held hostage by the needs of hobbyists and that’s not going to hold as most people don’t participate in the gun hobby to the extent they think its needs are more important than the needs of their countrymen.
Taking your straw man analogy literally, it seems reasonable in that situation that society would seek to limit access to the cockpit of planes, just like it seeks to limit access to guns.
Well guns are meant for killing, airplanes aren’t. And we’re not experiencing a rash of mass killings by airplane, we are experiencing a rash of killings by self loading rifles. I think breech loading single shot rifles will meet the needs of hunting, target shooting and self defense. At most I think bolt action rifles with 5 round magazines. And revolving pistols.
As it is the safety of the people is being held hostage by the needs of hobbyists and that’s not going to hold as most people don’t participate in the gun hobby to the extent they think its needs are more important than the needs of their countrymen.
Generally speaking when a plane crashes, somebody ends up dead. Not true when a gun is shot.
Taking your straw man analogy literally, it seems reasonable in that situation that society would seek to limit access to the cockpit of planes, just like it seeks to limit access to guns.
A better analogy: if there were an epidemic of people trying to commit suicide by slicing their wrists with razors, the libs would want to have tougher razor registration laws.
You can't solve a problem until you figure out its cause.
It's usually a long haul from a point of being just another person in the crowd, to becoming a deranged killer. Most of the gun violence is committed by those who suffer from some form of mental illness, so, I don't see any connection to anything in the social justice realm. If there is a connection to violent behavior and someone's notions of justice, it can be said that most of those who go out to kill as many as they can, have some kind of justice in mind.
I'd think that most people would see the issue of gun violence as a problem of individual failed reasoning, but the gun itself becomes the focal point when solutions are discussed. Leaving us to deal with mental illness as a secondary consideration, simply because it is a much harder issue for politicians to confront, and an even harder one to suggest a legislative solution as a meaningful deterrent.
A better analogy: if there were an epidemic of people trying to commit suicide by slicing their wrists with razors, the libs would want to have tougher razor registration laws.
You can't solve a problem until you figure out its cause.
I’m a liberal and I don’t care how many people kill themselves, nor how. You commit the logical fallacy known as an appeal to the absurd. It sounds clever but won’t stand scrutiny.
If you consider gun violence a problem an inherent cause of the problem is a gun.
I’m a liberal and I don’t care how many people kill themselves, nor how. You commit the logical fallacy known as an appeal to the absurd. It sounds clever but won’t stand scrutiny.
If you consider gun violence a problem an inherent cause of the problem is a gun.
Appeal to the absurd isn't really a logical fallacy though. The razor example given is completely logical.
"If gun violence is a problem, we need to restrict guns." Okay.
You may think it is an appeal to the absurd to then say "Suicide by razors is a problem, so we need to restrict razors." But it really isn't. You MIGHT be able to argue there is a slippery slope fallacy here, but really, the logic actually checks out.
A true logical fallacy is one like a straw man, where a person argues against claim when such a claim was never made.
I’m a liberal and I don’t care how many people kill themselves, nor how. You commit the logical fallacy known as an appeal to the absurd. It sounds clever but won’t stand scrutiny.
If you consider gun violence a problem an inherent cause of the problem is a gun.
It’s also true that removing guns does not remove violence, since violence is rooted in the behavior of people. England right now is an example of that where, since guns are hard to get, they're having an epidemic of knife violence and now wanting to ban certain knives. Knives, and guns, are tools, devices. Their use is determined by the possessor.
Last edited by LesLucid; 11-09-2018 at 01:21 PM..
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