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Old 11-15-2018, 05:30 PM
 
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I'm not beating up on the wealthy I'm asking a question - where does their 'right' to have better access to services end, is it without limit? If so, does that include vital services like ER care?

I don't think you've fully thought this through. The wealthy do not have a 'right' to better public services than the people down the street. The people in question have reached into their own pocket to pay for private services that supplement existing public service. So they are not taking a thing from anyone. I just don't think this is a hard concept to grasp.



As far as ER care is concerned, it's also a non sequitur, because a hospital is not a government agency.

 
Old 11-15-2018, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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As multiple devastating wildfires raged across California, a private firefighting crew reportedly helped save Kanye West and Kim Kardashianís home in Calabasas. The successful defense of the $60 million mansion is the most prominent example of a trend thatís begun to receive national attention: for-hire firefighters protecting homes, usually on the payroll of an insurance company with a lot at risk.

Firefighters are consistently ranked the most beloved public servants because they treat everyone equally.
But if we allow firefighting to become a two-tiered system (with one tier for the elite and another tier for everyone else), then that threatens the democratic-republican ideal of everyone contributing their fair share for the greater needs of the commonwealth.

For some - including many firefighters from municipalities - protection from a deadly wildfire isn't something that some neighbors should be able to buy when others canít.

Is this a story of the ramifications of economic disparity in this country?

https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ighting/575887
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...est-of-us-burn
This is absolutely no different than the time I got rear ended and soon realized that I had been too cheap to add rental car benefits to my auto policy when I signed up. As the OP wisely points out, these private firefighters work for the insurance company, they were NOT HIRED by the Kardashians. It is simply a benefit of their premium insurance policy that others were too cheap to pay for, just like me and my rental car coverage. In addition to the actual firefighting, the policy also provides for numerous visits throughout the year to monitor brush clearance. At the first sign of an impending fire a crew of firefighters is dispatched to the home. They remove all outdoor furniture and seal all vents to prevent embers from entering the home. Surprisingly, many homes that burn down in a wildfire burn from the inside out as embers get inside the house. They often apply Phos-chek to the roof and surrounding outdoor areas to retard the fire, something anyone could do. As a last line of defense they will also fight the blaze. Oh, and they bring their own water.

I think this is similar to the issue of private schooling which some have mentioned. The school system in Los Angeles which the public so kindly provides and which I also help pay for is ABSOLUTE CRAP. So, I made the decision to do without other niceties so I could provide a quality private education for my son (instead of rental car coverage ).

When will people realize that rich people just have better stuff ? Better homes, better cars, better vacations and, yes, better fire insurance.
 
Old 11-15-2018, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I'm not beating up on the wealthy I'm asking a question - where does their 'right' to have better access to services end, is it without limit? If so, does that include vital services like ER care?
Anyone has a right to use their own money to pay for superior goods and services.

Private schools
Expensive attorneys
Private doctors
Membership only clubs
Expensive restaurants
Personal chef
Personal driver
Personal nanny
Private security
Exclusive neighborhoods

Folks are trying to create an argument where there isn't one. What the hell is the point of being rich if your quality of life is like everyone else?
 
Old 11-15-2018, 07:30 PM
 
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As multiple devastating wildfires raged across California, a private firefighting crew reportedly helped save Kanye West and Kim Kardashian’s home in Calabasas. The successful defense of the $60 million mansion is the most prominent example of a trend that’s begun to receive national attention: for-hire firefighters protecting homes, usually on the payroll of an insurance company with a lot at risk.

Firefighters are consistently ranked the most beloved public servants because they treat everyone equally.
But if we allow firefighting to become a two-tiered system (with one tier for the elite and another tier for everyone else), then that threatens the democratic-republican ideal of everyone contributing their fair share for the greater needs of the commonwealth.

For some - including many firefighters from municipalities - protection from a deadly wildfire isn't something that some neighbors should be able to buy when others can’t.

Is this a story of the ramifications of economic disparity in this country?

https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ighting/575887
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...est-of-us-burn
You answered your own question:

PRIVATE firefighters aren't PUBLIC servants.

They are for-hire crews whose chief (contractor) can tell them to go wherever he is paid to take them. This could mean sitting idle during a state of emergency to protect something. They're not under control of the cities, or the state.

They're not paid for with your tax dollars. Leave them alone.
 
Old 11-15-2018, 08:54 PM
DKM
 
Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
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Rich people have the ability to pay people to serve them food. They don't have to go to the store and buy ingredients and prepare their own food and clean it up. Nope, they can go to these places called restaurants and have poorer people feed and serve them. Is this a story of the ramifications of economic disparity in this country?
 
Old 11-15-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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I consider it a non-issue. Most likely the 60 mil home will be nowhere near the 60k home.
Indeed. Where is there a 60K home in California anyway? (Hint: not in Malibu or Calabasas.)

As others have said, until the rich people sending their kids to private school or obtaining private firefighters, etc. are actually taking something away from everyone else by not paying their share of taxes, they should be able to get whatever superior service they can pay for.

Are we all a little jealous of the very rich? Do we deep down feel that it is "not quite fair"? Sure, probably most of us do if we are honest. But that is neither here nor there.
 
Old 11-15-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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I see nothing wrong with it. however, if there is a conflict between public service on the private sector guys, the public service should have the right of way. Example would be if there is one fire hydrant, and both entities need to hook to it, the public service should have the right of way to do so over the private sector people.
 
Old 11-15-2018, 11:20 PM
 
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How is that any different than the rich hiring private security guards rather than relying on the local police like everyone else?

Look at it this way, the for-hire fire fighters freed up the other fire fighters to lend help elsewhere.

Just a fact, the work they did saving the Kardashian house also saved other houses.

Another thought, I wonder what is costs to insure mega-million dollar homes?

Unless this trend starts to somehow decrease the availability of public, tax supported services I don't have a problem with it.

The rich get all kinds of perks the rest of us don't, it's just a fact of life.
Exactly! Why should people with greater resources be forced to use the same lousy services that everyone else gets?! If you have more money, you travel better, stay in nicer hotels, see better doctors, can afford ex military private security, and life is better. It should be! Thatís how capitalism works. This isnít some socialist craphole where everyone gets the same life.
 
Old 11-16-2018, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Rich people have the ability to pay people to serve them food. They don't have to go to the store and buy ingredients and prepare their own food and clean it up. Nope, they can go to these places called restaurants and have poorer people feed and serve them. Is this a story of the ramifications of economic disparity in this country?
Rich people also have the ability to pay people to wash their car. They don't to go to the store and buy car washing materials or even use their own water to prepare a hand car wash. Nope, they can go to these places called auto detailing and have poor people wash those dirty cars. Is this a story of the ramifications of economic diparity in this country?

These places utilize the crucial public water supply that should not be spent wasted on cleaning the cars of the rich.

Next you'll tell us there are poor people who will drive you to a destination off a smartphone app or do your dry cleaning and deliver your mail.

The rich have no right to enjoy the actual benefits of being rich. That right belongs to the lazy people of society.
 
Old 11-16-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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It's only a matter of time before firefighting and police services are privatized. And if you can't afford fire or police protection - good luck.


It already does happen.


No pay, no spray: Firefighters let home burn - US news - Life | NBC News
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