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The huffpost article offers no reason at all why sex work should be decriminalized.
The article is about one guy and his situation. These kinds of articles drive me nuts.
Although we may sympathize with his predicament, it's just an example of one guy in an unusual situation.
Before decriminalizing or outlawing, or regulating, we would look at the entire population and consider the benefits for individuals and society as a whole, and the negatives for the individuals involved (sex workers as well as johns) and for society as a whole.
Even in Germany where prostitution is legal, there is a human trafficking problem.
"Flat-rate brothels are very common in Germany, as well as “tabuslos,” meaning “no taboos.” In practice, this translates to “everything without any protection.” As a result, STDs are on the rise in Germany (HIV rates have gone up after several years of stagnation), and it’s common for married men to infect their wives.
Competing for customers means that brothel chains offer gambling games with the chance of winning a free hookup. A brothel in Berlin gives customers a “collection card” like coffee shops do — five visits will grant you a 50% rebate, and your 11th visit is free.
In Germany, both convenience and frugality are key, and patrons can go to parking garages for drive-in sex, or visit stalls called “Verrichtungsbox” (“getting things done” boxes). They can now even order women the way one would order a pizza thanks to a mobile app produced last year."
"The makeup of women in prostitution has changed. With the opening of Europe to the east, women come from the poorest regions of Europe: Romania, Bulgaria — and it’s often minorities like the Roma who live in extreme poverty. Today around 95% of prostituted women come from other countries. It has become a prostitution of poverty.
“30% of these women are young, under 21-years old. Often they are sacrificed by their own families in order to support them financially. The majority do not speak German. These young women come to Germany and are subjected to the perverse desires of these buyers. They aren’t capable of saying “no”, of defending themselves. They are completely overwhelmed by the situation and completely traumatized by it.”[6] It is the German state that abandons the most vulnerable women and delivers them to criminal businessmen and sexual predators.
The working conditions and the level of hygiene have become disastrous. Out of 400,000 prostituted women (an estimate that is more than 15 years old), only 44 registered as independent business[7]. The vast majority remains illegal, which means that they have no access to a social system that would allow them to see a doctor. The German state permits the exploitation of these women and supports them being crushed by the sex-industry, yet doesn´t even include them in a social welfare system.
There is a recent medical report from a gynaecologist[8] who is working with prostituted women. The health condition of these women is catastrophic. Within 30 years they often show signs of early-ageing. All women have persistent abdominal pains, gastritis, and frequent infections due to the unhealthy state of living conditions. And of course, all kinds of sexually transmissible diseases. The psychological traumatisation can just about be tolerated with alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs. He reports about a growing demand for pregnant women in prostitution. Those women have to serve 15 to 40 men a day continuously until they give birth. Very often, they abandon their child and go to work as soon as possible. Sometimes 3 days after birthing the child. Those practices are totally irresponsible for the health of the mother and her child. It can cause irreversible damage to the unborn child. It is absurd to speak of the “reproductive rights“ of women in prostitution, this here is about the sex buyers’ rights, and to guarantee them their rights of flourishing without restraint or restriction.
I was asked by the Women´s Health Mental Organisation to speak last year at the world conference in Dublin about the mental health situation of prostituted women in Germany. What can I say? What is the mental health situation of a woman that is reduced to a piece of meat? They are totally destroyed. A woman that is working in an exit program for prostituted women told me that there are very few women exiting prostitution. They will stay until they break down physically. It is just a matter of time. I asked myself, why it is like this? Because their will has been broken. They do not exist any more as a person that has an identity and a future they can imagine for themselves. We are talking here about complex traumatisation. Free-Choice prostitution is even worse than forced prostitution: because the trafficker is not a stranger but somebody they love or someone from their own family. Exiting prostitution causes deep internal conflict.
Yes, but you dont see Germany 'over reacting' and start targeting prostitution with new laws, regulations, etc...right? This is how the US likes to deal with things, in the most ineffective ways they can think of!
The US knows very well, that once they restrict, ban something, they are only ensuring there is a black market for it, with the drug laws, I think this is the actual goal, to benefit and aid the criminal groups, but with prostitution, Im not sure, there is no upper mgmt or leadership in the prostitution racket.
Id love to know how you can tell the difference between a regular prostitute and one that is human trafficked and forced to work?
Yeah, legalize all vices and bad judgements of humanity
How about just living a healthy and honest lifestyle, which benefits one and all? If we did that, we wouldn't even need to entertain how to handle sleazy lifestyles. The problem and question goes away.
Umm, I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who does that, all the time.
You argument puts me mind of the "just say no to drugs" campaign ,and wasn't that a bang up success.
"sleazy lifestyle" is a moral judgement. I think I missed it. Could you please tell me again exactly who it was put you in charge of the morals of other people?
Imo, the law has no place in deciding public morality, should it be prostitution, drug taking, alcohol consumption or gambling.
A couple of my own views:
As an army medic in Singapore I came across the mementos of prostitution on a daily basis .I consider prostitution degrading for both the prostitute and client. It's also none of my business. Of course it should be legalised, licensed, and taxed, with some measure of control, such as regular health checks and mandatory use of condoms .
In this state there is one licensed casino and poker machines are legal .They are to be found in almost every pub and club in the state. It is a billion dollar industry. I think poker machines especially are a social evil. Also none of my business.
There is a limit to which the state can or should protect its citizens from their own human weaknesses .
Imo, we have good laws which make wearing seat belts mandatory.Sensible speed limits, and sensible limits to allowable limits to blood alcohol and drugs for car drivers.
In 1996 Australia suffered the worst mass shooting in our history. As a direct result, our government passed strict gun control laws. These laws were and remain very popular and we apologise to no one.
Since the gun control laws were passed, we have had NO mass shootings ,and firearms are now rare in armed robbery. Weapons of choice now include; knives, hammers, screw drivers and the occasional Samurai sword. Context: the weapon used by the shooter in the recent New Zealand massacre costs $30,000 here on the black market.
There is indeed a difference; public vs private safety.
Umm, I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who does that, all the time.
You argument puts me mind of the "just say no to drugs" campaign ,and wasn't that a bang up success.
"sleazy lifestyle" is a moral judgement. I think I missed it. Could you please tell me again exactly who it was put you in charge of the morals of other people?
Imo, the law has no place in deciding public morality, should it be prostitution, drug taking, alcohol consumption or gambling.
A couple of my own views:
As an army medic in Singapore I came across the mementos of prostitution on a daily basis .I consider prostitution degrading for both the prostitute and client. It's also none of my business. Of course it should be legalised, licensed, and taxed, with some measure of control, such as regular health checks and mandatory use of condoms .
In this state there is one licensed casino and poker machines are legal .They are to be found in almost every pub and club in the state. It is a billion dollar industry. I think poker machines especially are a social evil. Also none of my business.
There is a limit to which the state can or should protect its citizens from their own human weaknesses .
Imo, we have good laws which make wearing seat belts mandatory.Sensible speed limits, and sensible limits to allowable limits to blood alcohol and drugs for car drivers.
In 1996 Australia suffered the worst mass shooting in our history. As a direct result, our government passed strict gun control laws. These laws were and remain very popular and we apologise to no one.
Since the gun control laws were passed, we have had NO mass shootings ,and firearms are now rare in armed robbery. Weapons of choice now include; knives, hammers, screw drivers and the occasional Samurai sword. Context: the weapon used by the shooter in the recent New Zealand massacre costs $30,000 here on the black market.
There is indeed a difference; public vs private safety.
As bolded may I graciously offend that comment by saying.MOST adults who say NO are respected for that decision. ANd NO to drugs does work. The problem most folks have is accepting the simplicity of that statement and following thru with its conviction. I am living proof of that, each day when I remain sober and alert to my decisions.
The industry of prostitution is not out to be a bleeding heart to a gent or any person who is afflicted with a permanent condition. I no more want a street walker peddling its wares up and down my sidewalk then I do a door to door salesman. Both are nuisances and I have the ability to say NO to that intrusion.
The USA is heading down a path of internal destruction with passing MJ laws and now the surge to legalize prostitution. No good comes from either of those flood gates opening.
No one here has yet to address the Prostitution from an unemployment stance...That is part of this going legal. How does that fair for you the tax payer to pay for their injury on the job when they were taking your husband for a joy ride. Or when such a person is fired for not performing a particular act. Try getting a decent hearing on that in front of the Labor board.
I do admire some things on Australias rulings. As they also thwart off prostitution.
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Yeah, legalize all vices and bad judgements of humanity
How about just living a healthy and honest lifestyle, which benefits one and all? If we did that, we wouldn't even need to entertain how to handle sleazy lifestyles. The problem and question goes away.
Is that the food or lifestyle police I hear coming? I mean, yeah, it's good to live a vice-free life, but I don't see how these vices, if legalized threaten me. Even skydiving, scuba diving, and full contact sports are dangerous activities not necessary to the essential well-being of anybody - "sexy" those activities may be. I suppose those should be banned too - or at least considered a vice because all three of those activities are unnecessary gambles with your well being that cost you and other people money.
Two people who meet for the first time, have sex on that first date and that is perfectly fine (for some people). However, once you pay for that sex all of a sudden it's not fine? Why? Because the government can't tax the prostitute's earnings? What happened to a women's body is her own to do what she wants with it? I personally would never want to be a hooker but I don't see why it is illegal. As long as the woman isn't being forced into that life I see no problem with making prostitution legal.
But if a worker refuses to accommodate a client who wears a turban...it is discrimination.
But only I guess, if the hooker cites the turban wearing as the reason he/she is saying no.
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I’m sorry, in 2019 there is no such thing as prostitution. It “Human Trafficking” now, and the greatest scourge to hit humanity since slavery.
Sorry, I don’t buy that there’s no prostitution, only “Human Trafficking”, sure, Human Trafficking supplies women for prostitution, but there must be thousands who just decide that it’s a quick way to earn money.
But only I guess, if the hooker cites the turban wearing as the reason he/she is saying no.
Sorry, I don’t buy that there’s no prostitution, only “Human Trafficking”, sure, Human Trafficking supplies women for prostitution, but there must be thousands who just decide that it’s a quick way to earn money.
Of course they do... its not all doom and gloom and desperation, some want big money... with all the things that go with it.. Ive heard of some who do this while studying at uni for cash............and all I can say is that Ive been as deep as you can go financially with children to support and have never even contemplated selling myself for cash .. its degrading and ugly..as well as very dangerous.... but let other do what they want but it goes on in a park near me where I take the dog and Im terrified if it gets quiet and a man is walking towards me.. its creeps me out and no one wants girls touting in their street or kerb crawler creeps near my home so who are some kidding... Most are out doing it for drug money... its disgusting for them and the men who go with them.
Totally the wrong emphasis. If I were to decriminalize prostitution it would be to help sex workers. Who gives a crap about the johns? Johns don't deserve sex but workers deserve a safer work situation. Decriminalization MIGHT do that, along with smart regulation.
It doesn’t have to be about one group or the other. You can make it safer for all parties involved.
Or they can just perfect sex robots and men will no longer require the service of prostitutes.
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