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Old 02-25-2020, 12:32 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Not BS. If you don’t abuse them, you don’t feel high from them.
This simply isn't true. I believe it's your experience, but when taking opioids as prescribed for serious pain I get annoyingly high even on a half dose. It's actually a real problem, as it limits my options for controlling pain while still being functional. Kind of feels like it defeats the point of controlling the pain if I can't go anywhere or do anything that requires my brain. I expect some people are more susceptible to certain types of medication than others - personally, opioids really do me in.

I can see how people can get addicted to that psychoactive effect even when they use them as directed (at least at first) - it'd be very tempting to float on them all day if I didn't have other stuff to do, say if I was unemployed or on medical leave.
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:43 AM
 
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This simply isn't true. I believe it's your experience, but when taking opioids as prescribed for serious pain I get annoyingly high even on a half dose. It's actually a real problem, as it limits my options for controlling pain while still being functional. Kind of feels like it defeats the point of controlling the pain if I can't go anywhere or do anything that requires my brain. I expect some people are more susceptible to certain types of medication than others - personally, opioids really do me in.

I can see how people can get addicted to that psychoactive effect even when they use them as directed (at least at first) - it'd be very tempting to float on them all day if I didn't have other stuff to do, say if I was unemployed or on medical leave.
I’m speaking from my own experience, so yes it is absolutely true. Again, I was taking Percocet maybe that is different than the others. But I never felt the slightest bit buzzed at all.
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Old 02-25-2020, 10:22 AM
 
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I have fibromyalgia and have been prescribed Tramadol for pain. I've been told that's really small on the pain med scales. I don't take it every day. I take it as needed. And because of the opioid crisis and all the attention it's been given, I rarely take it. The rheumatologist told me when he prescribed it, that it was't addictive and that I wouldn't build a tolerance for it. I did not take his word on that which is another reason I rarely use it. When I do take it, the results can be different. Sometimes one pill will affect me for two days. I don't necessarily like the effects which include affecting how I speak, much slower and I have to really think about what I'm going to say, feeling a little "out of it", and if I take it too late in the day, it gives me insomnia.
My point though, is there is a legitimate need for fibromyalgia patients for pain relief, I know several who are way worse off than myself, and this should be an option for them.

It's kind of like when my kids were in school. If someone does something wrong, the whole class had to suffer.

Just my two cents...
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Old 02-25-2020, 10:30 AM
 
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This simply isn't true. I believe it's your experience, but when taking opioids as prescribed for serious pain I get annoyingly high even on a half dose. It's actually a real problem, as it limits my options for controlling pain while still being functional. Kind of feels like it defeats the point of controlling the pain if I can't go anywhere or do anything that requires my brain. I expect some people are more susceptible to certain types of medication than others - personally, opioids really do me in.

I can see how people can get addicted to that psychoactive effect even when they use them as directed (at least at first) - it'd be very tempting to float on them all day if I didn't have other stuff to do, say if I was unemployed or on medical leave.
Sorry to say, but ocnjgirl is right, everyone is different, there are some who do not get 'high' from these drugs. My exwife would get sick as a dog if she just took a 5mg Hydrocodone, but on the other hand, I could take 10 of them at once and barely feel anything.


This is just another reason why these prescription drug laws are a joke, the number of people actually abusing them, was very small (compared to everyone who took them).
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Old 02-25-2020, 10:38 AM
 
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I have fibromyalgia and have been prescribed Tramadol for pain. I've been told that's really small on the pain med scales. I don't take it every day. I take it as needed. And because of the opioid crisis and all the attention it's been given, I rarely take it. The rheumatologist told me when he prescribed it, that it was't addictive and that I wouldn't build a tolerance for it. I did not take his word on that which is another reason I rarely use it. When I do take it, the results can be different. Sometimes one pill will affect me for two days. I don't necessarily like the effects which include affecting how I speak, much slower and I have to really think about what I'm going to say, feeling a little "out of it", and if I take it too late in the day, it gives me insomnia.
My point though, is there is a legitimate need for fibromyalgia patients for pain relief, I know several who are way worse off than myself, and this should be an option for them.

It's kind of like when my kids were in school. If someone does something wrong, the whole class had to suffer.

Just my two cents...
I took Ultram for a few years, you can definitely get addicted to them.


You are right though, they are considered a fairly weak painkiller, there is no demand on the street for this drug that Ive seen.


Ive actually blacked out a few times and had seizures from taking too many, back in those days, my tolerance was high and I would just keep taking 2 or 3, every half hour or so, if I didnt start to feel anything, I would take MORE, eventually I would feel my lower lip begin to twitch and curl up and the next thing I knew, I was waking up on the floor.


However, in the beginning, when I first started taking them, just 2 or 3 would make me feel GREAT,nearly half the day, I could go out and work hard all day, I felt motivated, content, happy, tolerance builds though after awhile.
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Old 02-25-2020, 04:03 PM
 
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I took Ultram for a few years, you can definitely get addicted to them.


You are right though, they are considered a fairly weak painkiller, there is no demand on the street for this drug that Ive seen.


Ive actually blacked out a few times and had seizures from taking too many, back in those days, my tolerance was high and I would just keep taking 2 or 3, every half hour or so, if I didnt start to feel anything, I would take MORE, eventually I would feel my lower lip begin to twitch and curl up and the next thing I knew, I was waking up on the floor.


However, in the beginning, when I first started taking them, just 2 or 3 would make me feel GREAT,nearly half the day, I could go out and work hard all day, I felt motivated, content, happy, tolerance builds though after awhile.
Thanks for the response. I had read online that they could get addictive and you could build up a tolerance for them. So even though the doctor said, no, I have been cautious. It's been over a year, probably close to 2 since I've seen him and I have not run out of my original prescription. At most I would only take 1 in the morning and another one at night, but don't do that anymore since they keep me awake.
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Old 02-25-2020, 04:24 PM
 
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Sorry to say, but ocnjgirl is right, everyone is different, there are some who do not get 'high' from these drugs. My exwife would get sick as a dog if she just took a 5mg Hydrocodone, but on the other hand, I could take 10 of them at once and barely feel anything.


This is just another reason why these prescription drug laws are a joke, the number of people actually abusing them, was very small (compared to everyone who took them).


Finally something I agree with you on.
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:49 AM
 
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I have fibromyalgia and have been prescribed Tramadol for pain. I've been told that's really small on the pain med scales. I don't take it every day. I take it as needed. And because of the opioid crisis and all the attention it's been given, I rarely take it. The rheumatologist told me when he prescribed it, that it was't addictive and that I wouldn't build a tolerance for it. I did not take his word on that which is another reason I rarely use it. When I do take it, the results can be different. Sometimes one pill will affect me for two days. I don't necessarily like the effects which include affecting how I speak, much slower and I have to really think about what I'm going to say, feeling a little "out of it", and if I take it too late in the day, it gives me insomnia.
My point though, is there is a legitimate need for fibromyalgia patients for pain relief, I know several who are way worse off than myself, and this should be an option for them.

It's kind of like when my kids were in school. If someone does something wrong, the whole class had to suffer.

Just my two cents...
Tramadol is actually much more similar to an anti-depressant than anything else. You can get addicted to them, but weaning off of them is the same as weaning off of an antidepressant it is not like getting off of opiates. Not addictive in the same way. Until a few years ago, they were not even a controlled substance and you could buy them online.
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Old 02-26-2020, 09:20 AM
 
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Tramadol was thought to be non-addicting because it works on the mu opioid receptor. That turned out to be wrong. We can argue whether the pain relief comes from its opioid properties or the serotonin/norepinephrine reuptake inhibiting properties. There is no consensus. Tramadol is not considered to be a weak pain killer but one in the middle. Weak ones are Tylenol and the like.

If you have fibromyalgia, you need to looking for drugs which help with nerve pain, such as duloxetine, Lyrica.
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:43 PM
 
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Tramadol is actually much more similar to an anti-depressant than anything else. You can get addicted to them, but weaning off of them is the same as weaning off of an antidepressant it is not like getting off of opiates. Not addictive in the same way. Until a few years ago, they were not even a controlled substance and you could buy them online.
Not true. Tramadol has been controlled for a while. It was moved up to schedule IV in 2014 and when I worked doing practitioner regulation in 2012, it was schedule V. I think most opioids were moved up one level in 2014, as much of the stuff that is schedule II now was schedule III back then.
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