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Old 03-06-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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It now seems that if DC wants to have voting members in Congress, they are going to have to accept a repeal of their gun laws - and allow semi-automatics and no gun registrations.

 
Old 03-06-2009, 04:47 PM
 
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Serious question here. We don't have gun registration in the US, correct? I buy a handgun, they do the NCIS or whatever the BG check that the FBI does to allow you to purchase the firearm. There is supposedly no data base kept but the firearm dealers must keep a record of the transactions re the BGC. So if I get pulled over and legally have a firearm that I own in my car, unloaded of course, how do the Cops know if it is an "unregistered" firearm or not?

I ask this because I always hear of people getting in trouble for having a gun that is not registered, as far as I know, none of mine are "registered" although I bought them legally.

Oh yeah and I also love it when the media uses the word "arsenal" and "thousands of rounds of ammunition" like it is a crime or something. I hate that.
 
Old 03-06-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Serious question here. We don't have gun registration in the US, correct? I buy a handgun, they do the NCIS or whatever the BG check that the FBI does to allow you to purchase the firearm. There is supposedly no data base kept but the firearm dealers must keep a record of the transactions re the BGC. So if I get pulled over and legally have a firearm that I own in my car, unloaded of course, how do the Cops know if it is an "unregistered" firearm or not?

I ask this because I always hear of people getting in trouble for having a gun that is not registered, as far as I know, none of mine are "registered" although I bought them legally.

Oh yeah and I also love it when the media uses the word "arsenal" and "thousands of rounds of ammunition" like it is a crime or something. I hate that.
Approximately a half-dozen states have registration laws ranging from all firearms to only "assault weapons" to only handguns. Furthermore, some localities, such as Cleveland, have their own local registration laws.

Also, the BATF was found to be keeping records in regards to the yellow forms. They were going into gun stores and copying hundreds of forms each week. The NRA sued them and supposedly they stopped, but again, I say supposedly.
 
Old 03-06-2009, 05:09 PM
 
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Approximately a half-dozen states have registration laws ranging from all firearms to only "assault weapons" to only handguns. Furthermore, some localities, such as Cleveland, have their own local registration laws.

Also, the BATF was found to be keeping records in regards to the yellow forms. They were going into gun stores and copying hundreds of forms each week. The NRA sued them and supposedly they stopped, but again, I say supposedly.

I know about Class III firearms and registration requirements. I used to live in the state with the most restrictive gun laws in the country and they required no "registration". Only Federal background checks, I know certain municipalities have certain restrictive gun laws.

There is no state which requires registration of a firearm. (non class III)

I will ask again, what constitutes an unregistered firearm in a country that does not have gun registration?
 
Old 03-06-2009, 05:15 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Serious question here. We don't have gun registration in the US, correct? I buy a handgun, they do the NCIS or whatever the BG check that the FBI does to allow you to purchase the firearm. There is supposedly no data base kept but the firearm dealers must keep a record of the transactions re the BGC. So if I get pulled over and legally have a firearm that I own in my car, unloaded of course, how do the Cops know if it is an "unregistered" firearm or not?

I ask this because I always hear of people getting in trouble for having a gun that is not registered, as far as I know, none of mine are "registered" although I bought them legally.

Oh yeah and I also love it when the media uses the word "arsenal" and "thousands of rounds of ammunition" like it is a crime or something. I hate that.
Theres no federal registration but some states & municipalities have things going. Most times however when you hear about an "unregistered gun" its hyperbole, it may be true but its meaningless. All the guns in CT are unregistered so it could be said that all crime here is commited with unregistered guns. But it would mean nothing of substance.
In NY every gun you own is printed on your permit & you cannot carry one thats not. So if you got pulled over, even with a permit & had your grandfathers old 6 gun you were bringing home you would be commiting a felony. CT's bad but NY really sucks.

Arsenal is another meaningless thing used to drum up support from the RL crowd. I'm quite sure I have enough guns to qualify as an arsenal to an anti gun person. I suppose it is but in reality the term arsenal is much to broad to have any real meaning in most civilian cases.
 
Old 03-06-2009, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I know about Class III firearms and registration requirements. I used to live in the state with the most restrictive gun laws in the country and they required no "registration". Only Federal background checks, I know certain municipalities have certain restrictive gun laws.

There is no state which requires registration of a firearm. (non class III)

I will ask again, what constitutes an unregistered firearm in a country that does not have gun registration?

Just to name the two that immediately come to mind... I could probably get about four or five more but it would take some web surfing.

Hawaii (all firearms acquired within Hawaii)

Maryland (all handguns and "assault rifles")- serial numbers and information on the buyer are recorded by police before transactions are completed/approved. What do you call that?
 
Old 03-06-2009, 05:57 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Just to name the two that immediately come to mind... I could probably get about four or five more but it would take some web surfing.

Hawaii (all firearms acquired within Hawaii)

Maryland (all handguns and "assault rifles")- serial numbers and information on the buyer are recorded by police before transactions are completed/approved. What do you call that?

In MD for handguns: mandatory registration, mandatory 10 day minimum waiting period, mandatory State Police background check. If purchase is allowed State Police issue a "not denied" not "permitted".
 
Old 03-06-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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It now seems that if DC wants to have voting members in Congress, they are going to have to accept a repeal of their gun laws - and allow semi-automatics and no gun registrations.
We will wait. Not worth the interference in our local law. Too bad Utah. It didn't work out this year.
 
Old 03-06-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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We will wait. Not worth the interference in our local law. Too bad Utah. It didn't work out this year.

Since when were local laws allowed to violate the Constitution of the United States of America?
 
Old 03-06-2009, 08:41 PM
 
Location: MS
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Arsenal is another meaningless thing used to drum up support from the RL crowd. I'm quite sure I have enough guns to qualify as an arsenal to an anti gun person. I suppose it is but in reality the term arsenal is much to broad to have any real meaning in most civilian cases.
Based on some recent stories I have read, I passed 'arsenal' a long time ago. The last time I drove from MS to AR to go shooting I had 3 'assault weapons' (media lingo, not mine), 3 semi-automatic pistols with high capacity magazines and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition all in the trunk of my car. Sounds like I was going to commit a huge crime. Nope. My wife and I were going for a relaxing afternoon of target practice. It's the most fun I've had in a while.

-Robert
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