gun control (illegal, weapons, crime, military)

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

Well it's Prince William County. Redneck Virginian not Washington DC. Viginia has lax gun laws.

Prince William County, fastest growing county in the US the last few years.



Prince William County, Virginia - Department Of Economic Development | | (http://www.pwcecondev.org/default.asp?section=15&subsection=99&sidebar=off - broken link)

[rlchurch]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Prince William County, fastest growing county in the US the last few years.



Prince William County, Virginia - Department Of Economic Development | | (http://www.pwcecondev.org/default.asp?section=15&subsection=99&sidebar=off - broken link)

Doesn't make it Washington DC.

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by Cliffie

It could be done. It would be a huge, exhausting, getting-the-toothpaste-back-in-the-tube job -- but it could be done. Sparky.

the government only knows of 38% of the populace owning guns, the majority of guns are unknown to the government due to states not tracking where they go. I would safely say, that the government could never outright ban guns, they would have an absolute blood bath on their hands. (not to mention that anyone can go across the boarder into Mexico and get a 9mm for $50.00)

[swagger]

Ok, rl. I'm going to post something that may be hard for you to look at. You should probably turn away, close your browser, unplug your PC and move to Detroit, cuz what I'm about to post doesn't jibe with the picture you're trying to paint of your fine *cough* city.

According to the FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_04.html - broken link), in 2007 your fine *cough* city had a murder rate of 30.8 per 100,000 people, UP from 29.1 the previous year. Let's compare that to some other places..

In my current home state of Nevada, that number was 7.5, DOWN from 9.0.

In my former home state of California, that number was 6.2, DOWN from 6.8.

In Michigan - a state not known for peaceful living (to put it mildly [no offense to Michigan residents]) - that number was 6.7, DOWN from 7.1.

How about Illinois? Chicago ain't a friendly place... 5.9, DOWN from 6.1.

In fact, there's only two other jurisdictions on that list that have a murder rate in the double digits, and the 2nd highest (Louisiana) is less than HALF the D.C. rate.

Yeah, I'd say that those gun control laws are working for you just great.

I dare you to look at the stats for the redneck-gun-toting-gun-fetishist states. No, I triple dog dare you.

Just remember that every year, three out of every ten thousand people in your fine *cough* city will be murdered. Will you be next?

[Purple_Princess]

Originally Posted by Greatday

That will not happen in the United States - GUARANTEED.

Deal with it Sparky

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

Doesn't make it Washington DC.

Good diversion, my post was aimed at the redneck comment.

[FiveHorses]

Originally Posted by swagger

It's a shame that the mods have allowed Tricky D to completely hijack this thread. Also sad is that there are people in the forum who actually still engage this troll.
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Swagger - 99.9% of the time I'd agree with you. But, at least for one wee soul out there, reading this thread provides me with great amusement but also, and rather more importantly, it's proof that this country hasn't entirely lost its way and the sane still exist.

What's rather curious though is why Tricky D comes back though... that's what I can't quite figure out. He's not American, he doesn't live in the US, so it remains a bit of mystery to me. (Not to mention does he actually think he makes sense?! )

Originally Posted by Purple_Princess

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition

What kind would you like?

[jdavid93225]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

He probably was bored.
Ya still are so naive to believe that guns always prevent crime while you just provided proof that guns also cause crime?

It's been said many times already on this very thread: guns do not prevent crime or cause crime. Period. No one on this thread has said "guns always prevent crime" except you. You cite that as a quote of what someone said, when in fact they did not say it. Also, nothing that has been said is proof the "guns also cause crime." Guns do not cause crime. People do. Until you understand this very basic concept, I would suggest not continuing to bring it up in such a false manner.

Guns are simply tools that can be used for good or for bad. Why are you of the belief that law enforcement personnel with guns can only do good, while (non-LEO) citizens with guns can only do bad? This concept that you spout in almost every post is simply absurd.

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Because you still have psychopaths and 'insane' career criminals.
It is the cops duty to stop these people.

Why is that? In our country, citizens also have the right to do so, especially if the "cops" aren't readily available.

Did you hear the one about the woman that was asked, "Why do you carry a gun?" She replied, "Because a Policeman is too heavy."

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Here in The Netherlands we have no case of citizens shooting at each other because of road rage.
Nor do we have drive by shootings or student shootings.
Simply because guns aren't that easily available as in the US.

Here in the U.S. we have those things in areas where citizens have been stripped of their right to carry firearms. In just about every such situation, the victim has had that right taken from them by "the government;" for instance, in the creation of "gun free zones" in the schools.

When was the last time you heard of a road rage incident in Wyoming, where many citizens exercise their right to carry a firearm?

Originally Posted by Tricky D

I guess the people who go on shooting sprees are enjoying themselves which could count as recreation.

Most are under the influence of some sort of mind altering drug. This is why the U.S. still has laws controlling the distribution of, or prohibiting the use of, such drugs.

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Because not everyone is sane.
But I agree with ya that compared to the US The Netherlands is an utopian paradise.

Does one's lack of sanity require use of lethal force by the police? If they aren't armed, then there is no reason the police would need to be.

Originally Posted by Tricky D

And firemen have a greater chance of dying by fire than the average citizen.
But at least cops and the military are better screened than the average citizen ( or at least they should be).

So are gun owners, especially those with concealed carry permits.

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Then, because of the many student shootings and other tragedies, I'd have to conclude that the American parents are failing miserably.

Once again, you categorically place all of one group into a category intended for a few. There are some American parents that are failing miserably. This is an unfortunate fact. It's not the case of all American parents. The same could be said for some parents in any country. The biggest failure I have seen in the U.S. has been on the part of the government, by interfering with some parents ability to do their jobs (anti-spanking laws come to mind), or by enabling some parents to not have to face the consequences by not doing their jobs (entitlement programs).

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

Doesn't make it Washington DC.

Nope, you can tell by the lower crime rates.

[jdavid93225]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

I suspect the idiot from California who was arrested in DC last week with a truck full of weapons is from your camp. He's now cooling his heels in jail.

You never answered the questions about what his crimes were. He was arrested for possession of illegal weapons and "unlicensed ammunition" according to your precious article. No mention was made of why his vehicle was searched other than the vague comment that it "aroused suspicion." As far as I'm concerned this person (you chose to use the insulting term "idiot") from California is innocent. I have seen nothing to prove his guilt, to cause me to believe otherwise.

Possession of weapons, whether legal or not, would not be prosecutable in any reasonable court in this land if the evidence were obtained through an illegal search and seizure. Can you offer any evidence showing the search and seizure to have been legal, and conducted with probable cause?